• pulsewidth@lemmy.world
      6·
      6 days ago

      I know it gets thrown around a lot, but the Dunning-Kruger effect is real and applicable to people in all fields.

        • dogs0n@sh.itjust.works
          4·
          6 days ago

          Punchable is a bit far, probably wanna tone it down a bit, big guy.

          Just kidding, but it’s only funny and also is it this guys fault?

          I don’t even know if it’s true, but in any case, the guy who tasked a react (native) developer on the start menu is responsible (not the developer).

          Example: If I managed a product and hired a python developer and told them to do x, they would likely use python, right? (In this scenario, It is I the manager wjo failed everyone, not the developer).

          Also the other commenter is correct. It’s like the common saying “use the right tool for the job”. The saying doesn’t make sense, because the right tool is always the one you know how to use…

          • Victor@lemmy.world
            1·
            6 days ago

            Punchable is a bit far

            Didn’t mean that literally 😁 I just thought it was funny to describe a written response as punchable. But the response was annoying.

            It might not be the developer’s fault, but him practically defending the choice by completely dodging the performance aspect is irresponsible to me. It’s like he’s ashamed to discuss it. Or doesn’t have the knowledge to?

            A good developer should speak up and say that they might not have the skill set required for the task. That’s my opinion. Either that or learn the ropes but flag for extra time needed.

            the right tool is always the one you know how to use…

            100% disagree. There are more suitable tools for certain jobs.

            Hello I am looking for a job as a surgeon. Okay what tools do you know? Jackhammer. That’s the only one you know? Yup. Mmkay then that’s the right tool for surgery in your case, can you start Monday?

            🫠

            Imagine someone using Java to write a program that just runs several other commands in sequence. That should really be a script, and the developer should learn a sufficiently suitable shell scripting language.

            But yeah, ultimately I agree, it’s not his “fault”. Especially if he flagged this to be something a bit out of the ordinary, and his manager(?) insisted. Then it’s 100% not the guy’s fault, for sure ong.

        • AeonFelis@lemmy.world
          7·
          6 days ago

          Probably, but only because at this point I’m fairly certain reality itself must be a parody of something.

        • InFerNo@lemmy.ml
          5·
          6 days ago

          In the era of tech evangelists? People pick 1 technology branch and make it their entire personality

          • masinko@lemmy.world
            4·
            6 days ago

            That’s still a stupid reason. I’m a .NET & MSSQL developer primarily, I’m not gonna shove C# in every project I write if it doesn’t makes sense.

    • [object Object]@lemmy.world
      12·
      7 days ago

      Well, at least it’s React Native, seemingly. Also from what I’ve heard it’s only one section like rendering results from the web or some shit like that.

    • presoak@lazysoci.al
      61·
      6 days ago

      But once you read his words he’s got a foot in the door. Then he’s harder to ignore.

      So maybe it’s harder to ignore fools on social media. Which would make social media a kind of fool-enhancer.

      I guess this is where blocking comes in. But that seems drastic.

      • pulsewidth@lemmy.world
        2·
        6 days ago

        Blocking is severe, but boy is my feed clean of morons (I think I’ve only blocked like 30 people on Lemmy).

        You gotta try it. Very satisfying to click ‘read all’ on your inbox now and then to clear out notifications for new (hidden) messages from trolls you’ve blocked.

    • squaresinger@lemmy.world
      91·
      6 days ago

      Tbh, it’s not entirely wrong, which is the reason why it works so well as rage bait.

      It’s really not about Linux, but it is about supporting anything and everything out there with a single app. Use Electron and you can have the same app running on Windows, Mac, Linux, Android, iOS, your car, your game console, your smart fridge and in a website.

      Of course the result sucks, but if you can cut development effort into a fraction while also supporting systems that you would have never supported otherwise, that’s not a bad deal for businesses.

  • Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    19·
    5 days ago

    No matter how fanboi-y a Linux or Apple user gets, they can never out fanboi a Microsoft fanboi. They take making shit up about competitors to a entirely new level.

  • [object Object]@lemmy.world
    961·
    7 days ago

    (Apple as a platform is so closed that it couldn’t be influenced by this utter crap and the developers can use the OS native API’s.)

    A hidden gem of stupidity and nonsense in the already pretty dumb tirade.

  • FE80@lemmy.worldEnglish
    601·
    7 days ago

    What kind of shit for brains asshole is still defending Windows in 2025?

    • krooklochurm@lemmy.ca
      263·
      6 days ago

      And what kind of slavering mouth-breathing teoglodyte doesn’t understand that Hannah Montana Linux negates all of these issues, will suck your dixk without hesitation, and lets you read news from four days from now.

      • TangledHyphae@lemmy.world
        2·
        6 days ago

        Dear god, I had to write wxWidgets/C++ for Win32 last year for work and it was horrific. Never again, back to modern web standards for me. The irony is that it was justified as being “cross platform” but we never got around to actually making it work on Linux. Makes no sense, it should have been an internal web app. (Admittedly, this was for law enforcement software and they seem to love windows.)

    • highball@lemmy.worldEnglish
      2·
      6 days ago

      Yeah, he doesn’t know what he’s talking about. There is a shitload of frontend developers that specialize in web standards and technologies. Electron was developed to take advantage of that deep pool of frontend developers. The side affect, is that other OSes can just support electron and they get the developers and the applications for free. Which has been a major boon for Linux users and those looking to escape Microsoft’s vendor lockin strategy. Today might be different, but in the past, nobody was intending to support Linux by creating electron apps. If they cared so much or it was so important, they would have been using Qt and GTK prior to Electron.

  • jollyrogue@lemmy.ml
    723·
    7 days ago

    1. The user land API/ABI is stable to a fault in Linux. The kernel API/ABI is unstable.

    2. Companies are cheap. They hired web devs then tasked them with building a desktop application rather then hiring people to write native apps. They had a hammer and used it to fix every problem they had.

    3. macOS is just as affected by electron apps as a Linux is.

    4. Electron is horrible, but it does bring apps to many an OS once Chromium is ported.

    5. Open protocols or open APIs from the company would fix the non-native app problem.

    • ammonium@lemmy.world
      22·
      7 days ago

      The user land API/ABI is stable to a fault in Linux. The kernel API/ABI is unstable

      It’s the other way around. The kernel API stable to a fault, the kernel ABI isn’t. If your application only relies on the kernel API you won’t have many compatibility issues. If you rely on userland stuff such as C++ stdlib, GTK, QT, Python, … Good luck.

      • jollyrogue@lemmy.ml
        4·
        7 days ago

        I wasn’t clear and that seems to have cause some confusion. I was talking about the Linux kernel itself, and only the Linux kernel.

        There are two sides to the Linux kernel: internal exposed to drivers and such, external syscalls exposed to the public. That’s what I was talking about.

        All bets are off with 3rd party software. That’s just a general problem in software development. It’s not specific to Linux, and it’s why vendoring libraries is recommended.

        This is why all the 3rd party software is frozen at a point-in-time with fixes backported in distros like Debian or RHEL. It fixes the problems of devs being mercurial. The distro is the SDK. It creates a stable base, and it works rather well.

        Unfortunately, most software relies on libc and a compiler. Both of which can be problems, and both of which are external to the Linux kernel. There’s not much which relies on only kernel syscalls.

    • JackbyDev@programming.devEnglish
      3·
      7 days ago

      Further, if you get code into the kernel, anyone who breaks it needs to fix it. So it seems to me it’s only a problem if you’re trying to do something like maintain a proprietary driver without putting it into the kernel? Or something to that effect?

      • jollyrogue@lemmy.ml
        3·
        7 days ago

        Basically. Out-of-tree drivers are annoying without an LTS kernel.

        There are also out-of-tree drivers which don’t get mainlined for one reason or another even though they are FOSS. OpenZFS has this problem, and now so does bcachefs.

      • Railcar8095@lemmy.world
        19·
        7 days ago

        Well, RAM is dirt cheap anyways. /S

        Edit: I bought this one for 180 in another site just a few months ago. It now costs as much what I paid for RAM, CPU + MOBO. Dodged a bullet not waiting for the black Friday “deals”

  • dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world
    68·
    7 days ago

    This is such a hilariously bad take. I like how “I can’t use Win32 on Linux” morphed into “re-write the whole app in Javascript just so I can use Electron.”

    Meanwhile, Wine and QT are like: “am I a joke to you?”

    I’ll add that (IMO) a lot of applications are becoming increasingly malicious, although less-so in the desktop space. I’m happy that devs like this are forced to quasi-sandbox their crap into a browser. Actually, if anyone knows how to crack into an Electron app in order to restore local plugins, user-scripts, and sandbox security controls, let me know. Or just liberate the guts into a local web app instead so I can use a real browser? This trend could be very useful for local security if those features become available.

    • Captain Aggravated@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      2·
      5 days ago

      Probably “Native Linux apps are made in Linux-only bullshit by useless neckbeards, and probably only run in the terminal. Real actual apps like Discord made by a for-profit corporation have to be made cross-platform.”

  • arc99@lemmy.worldEnglish
    20·
    6 days ago

    Every operating system contributed to the bloat. Windows has Win32, OS X has Carbon / Cocoa, Linux has X11 and various widget libs that sit on top of it. So it has been a perennial nut to crack to make cross platform widgets - wxWidgets, QT, SWT/JWT/Swing on Java, XMLShell (Firefox), Electron, GTK/GTK#, winelib etc.

    Throw mobile platforms into the mix and it’s an unholy mess. Lowest common denominator is HTML and so the likes of Electron “wins” even though it’s bloated and slow.