• the_toast_is_gone@lemmy.world
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      17 days ago

      I don’t really know what “resistance ideology” is. Are otherwise-heinous actions acceptable if they come from a weaker party? Is this that power-plus-prejudice thing again?

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        16 days ago

        Maybe go read a bit on that and see what it does for your understanding of the Isreal-Palestinian conflict.

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          16 days ago

          I found this article, which specifically states:

          Under international law the right to resist excludes recourse to violence against civilians.

          That sounds to me like Hamas isn’t allowed to kill civilians. Do I understand that correctly?

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            16 days ago

            That’s a Wikipedia article that’s not about resistance ideology. It’s sole citation for that line is a book written by a Jewish professor at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem. You might as well ask a white man what he thinks of the indian problem in the 1800’s. Well we massacred an entire town but them doing anything about that is just plain wrong.

            Maybe start somewhere like this, where people who have interviewed former IRA fighters talk about how they viewed violence as legitimate but that didn’t stop them from accepting peace once their goal of a free Ireland had been met.

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              16 days ago

              So just give it to me straight, do you think it’s okay to shoot up a concert where nobody could reasonably be considered a threat to you? Consider that in isolation. It’s a simple question yes or no question. I’ll read your thing about “resistance ideology” if you can answer that.

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                16 days ago

                Lmao. No. Because considering it in a vacuum is a bad faith exercise. I could similarly ask you about shooting clearly marked reporters just standing there. Or any of a hundred other things.

                If you don’t consider the why then you aren’t really considering it.

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                  16 days ago

                  So what specific circumstances would justify raping a bunch of women, killing dozens of children, and shooting up a concert full of people who were not an immediate threat to you? And how do they not also justify 9/11?

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                    16 days ago

                    You just can’t stop putting something in there can you? You’re desperately afraid the Palestinians have a good point.