I wish property values dropped by 50%! I would actually buy a house back there.
Having lived in multiple sanctuary cities I’m comfortable saying every single point you’re attempting to make is the kind of pure bullshit one would only believe if their only source is Twitter or broadcast news.
@untorquer Ok to be fair mostly commercial real-estate property values dropped 50%, single family homes, nope, but that’s because instead of building single family homes, they are bulldozing them to build ugly apartment complexes, and then they wonder why families aren’t moving to Seattle and nobodies having kids. You can’t raise a kid in an apartment decently, Family Affair was 100% fictional.
People not having kids isn’t because someone else came and took a minimum wage or less job, the drug trade, or shit on the sidewalk. It’s because there aren’t jobs that are widely accessible with pay commensurate with cost of living.
Don’t be mad at immigrants for being exploited, be mad at the people exploiting them and the government which refuses to enforce cost of living wage or other social services such as, for example, healthcare and high quality public transit.
@untorquer These jobs aren’t available because with the illegals taking the minimum wage jobs, other jobs that would be higher paying are now being taken by the former minimal wage workers at low rates. I’ve been here for 66 years, I’ve had the opportunity to see the before and after.
@untorquer Unfortunately you do not understand basic economics. Pay like price is a function of supply and demand, increase the labor supply without increasing demand and pay goes down.
Step 1: “I can’t pay you this much because [others] will do the work cheaper”
Step 2: “I’m going to higher you at a lower wage than you could expect before step 1. Please grovel at my feet for my benevolent charity”
“Basic economics” as an argument is ignorance of externalities.
You know we have wage regulation right? If you must use the law to enforce the “free” market then you could just as easily increase the already existing minimum wage.
If you don’t believe in a cost of living based minimum wage that’s a different conversation.
@untorquer@lemmy.Basic economics is a function of reality. If you wish to deny reality it’s not going to result in anything good for you and perhaps not for people around you. Wage regulation doesn’t work. Seattle is a glowing example of that. They raised their rates to the point where the majority of fast food restaurants folded their operations in town. Many grocery stores also had to close because it just wasn’t economically viable to keep doing business there. Many corporations up and left not only the town but the state. Now most of downtown office space is vacant. And they’re raising taxes more to pay for what all the free stuff they give to illegals on a shrinking revenue base because everyone legitimate is leaving. I left 45 years ago because I saw the writing on the wall.
I wish property values dropped by 50%! I would actually buy a house back there.
Having lived in multiple sanctuary cities I’m comfortable saying every single point you’re attempting to make is the kind of pure bullshit one would only believe if their only source is Twitter or broadcast news.
@untorquer Ok to be fair mostly commercial real-estate property values dropped 50%, single family homes, nope, but that’s because instead of building single family homes, they are bulldozing them to build ugly apartment complexes, and then they wonder why families aren’t moving to Seattle and nobodies having kids. You can’t raise a kid in an apartment decently, Family Affair was 100% fictional.
People not having kids isn’t because someone else came and took a minimum wage or less job, the drug trade, or shit on the sidewalk. It’s because there aren’t jobs that are widely accessible with pay commensurate with cost of living.
Don’t be mad at immigrants for being exploited, be mad at the people exploiting them and the government which refuses to enforce cost of living wage or other social services such as, for example, healthcare and high quality public transit.
@untorquer These jobs aren’t available because with the illegals taking the minimum wage jobs, other jobs that would be higher paying are now being taken by the former minimal wage workers at low rates. I’ve been here for 66 years, I’ve had the opportunity to see the before and after.
The job pays too low across the board. Blame the bosses and the politicians enabling low wages, not the exploited laborers.
@untorquer Unfortunately you do not understand basic economics. Pay like price is a function of supply and demand, increase the labor supply without increasing demand and pay goes down.
Step 1: “I can’t pay you this much because [others] will do the work cheaper”
Step 2: “I’m going to higher you at a lower wage than you could expect before step 1. Please grovel at my feet for my benevolent charity”
“Basic economics” as an argument is ignorance of externalities.
You know we have wage regulation right? If you must use the law to enforce the “free” market then you could just as easily increase the already existing minimum wage.
If you don’t believe in a cost of living based minimum wage that’s a different conversation.
@untorquer@lemmy.Basic economics is a function of reality. If you wish to deny reality it’s not going to result in anything good for you and perhaps not for people around you. Wage regulation doesn’t work. Seattle is a glowing example of that. They raised their rates to the point where the majority of fast food restaurants folded their operations in town. Many grocery stores also had to close because it just wasn’t economically viable to keep doing business there. Many corporations up and left not only the town but the state. Now most of downtown office space is vacant. And they’re raising taxes more to pay for what all the free stuff they give to illegals on a shrinking revenue base because everyone legitimate is leaving. I left 45 years ago because I saw the writing on the wall.
Yes, all closed down.