A day after President Biden suggested that there could be a deal as soon as Monday, a Hamas official indicated that the group was not satisfied with what had been floated in truce and hostage talks.
Israel is offering a temporary pause in exchange for all of the hostages while Netanyahu is saying that the invasion and resulting massacre in Rafah is still going to happen no matter what.
I don’t in any way condone the many atrocities of Hamas, but they’d be absolute idiots to give up their only leverage for basically nothing.
That the NYT is framing the refusal of an absolutely preposterous deal as a sign of Hamas wanting to continue the violence (which they absolutely do) while the Israeli government is making good faith attempts at peace (which it absolutely is NOT) is hardly surprising, though, given their general anti-palestinian bias.
What’s gross is acceptance of the idea that Hamas has 'leverage" because they took hostages. I take issue with the idea that taking hostages gives you leverage on anything, in any permanent sense. If Israel’s actions confirm anything (other than that they are just as capable of visiting the same atrocities on others as any humans are) it’s that. Show me what their actions have “levered” and I will show you a ruined land with a fast increasing body count. Way to apply yourselves champs.
It makes you a target. Period. One deserving of retribution. You don’t ever, ever get to walk away from that, so you don’t get to claim you have leverage. If anything, you’ve got baggage. Moreover, that baggage is going to, increasingly, claim collaterals. QE motherfucking D.
What’s gross is acceptance of the idea that Hamas has 'leverage" because they took hostages
You don’t have to like reality to understand it. The taking of innocent civilians as hostage is one of the many atrocities of Hamas that I unequivocally condemn. That doesn’t change the reality that those poor people ARE leverage in the negotiations, just like innocently imprisoned and tortured Palestinians are for the Israeli government.
I take issue with the idea that taking hostages gives you leverage on anything, in any permanent sense.
Again, acknowledging isn’t endorsing.
If Israel’s actions confirm anything (other than that they are just as capable of visiting the same atrocities on others as any humans are) it’s that
It’s what, exactly? That hostages aren’t used as leverage in ceasefire talks? Because Israel has leveraged innocently imprisoned Palestinians in every single ceasefire negotiation since the first one.
Show me what their actions have “levered” and I will show you a ruined land with a fast increasing body count. Way to apply yourselves champs.
Again completely missing the point in your quest to paint me and others as superfans of kidnapping as a political tactic.
It makes you a target. Period.
Being a Palestinian in Gaza (and to a lesser but still atrocious degree the West Bank) makes you a target. Period. No atrocities committed by Hamas necessary. Those are pretenses for what the fascist Netanyahu government already wanted to do, not the actual reasons.
One deserving of retribution
Now who’s being fucking gross? To say, knowing full well what Israeli government “retribution” looks like, that anyone could possibly deserve it is callously vengeful to the point of abhorrent bloodthirst.
You don’t ever, ever get to walk away from that
Don’t worry, at the very least double as many innocent Palestinian civilians as Hamas terrorists won’t.
you don’t get to claim you have leverage
Again with this complete ignorance of how ceasefire negotiations work, especially in THIS particular 75 year long conflict.
QE motherfucking D.
You have demonstrated nothing except your own ignorance and cocksure belief in the infallibility of your poor understanding.
Hamas rejects nothing.
They have laid a deal on the table which would lead to a permanent ceasefire
Israel is the party rejecting the deal. Israel wants to ethnically cleanse and annex Gaza
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Because the deal was ridiculous.
Israel is offering a temporary pause in exchange for all of the hostages while Netanyahu is saying that the invasion and resulting massacre in Rafah is still going to happen no matter what.
I don’t in any way condone the many atrocities of Hamas, but they’d be absolute idiots to give up their only leverage for basically nothing.
That the NYT is framing the refusal of an absolutely preposterous deal as a sign of Hamas wanting to continue the violence (which they absolutely do) while the Israeli government is making good faith attempts at peace (which it absolutely is NOT) is hardly surprising, though, given their general anti-palestinian bias.
What’s gross is acceptance of the idea that Hamas has 'leverage" because they took hostages. I take issue with the idea that taking hostages gives you leverage on anything, in any permanent sense. If Israel’s actions confirm anything (other than that they are just as capable of visiting the same atrocities on others as any humans are) it’s that. Show me what their actions have “levered” and I will show you a ruined land with a fast increasing body count. Way to apply yourselves champs.
It makes you a target. Period. One deserving of retribution. You don’t ever, ever get to walk away from that, so you don’t get to claim you have leverage. If anything, you’ve got baggage. Moreover, that baggage is going to, increasingly, claim collaterals. QE motherfucking D.
You don’t have to like reality to understand it. The taking of innocent civilians as hostage is one of the many atrocities of Hamas that I unequivocally condemn. That doesn’t change the reality that those poor people ARE leverage in the negotiations, just like innocently imprisoned and tortured Palestinians are for the Israeli government.
Again, acknowledging isn’t endorsing.
It’s what, exactly? That hostages aren’t used as leverage in ceasefire talks? Because Israel has leveraged innocently imprisoned Palestinians in every single ceasefire negotiation since the first one.
Again completely missing the point in your quest to paint me and others as superfans of kidnapping as a political tactic.
Being a Palestinian in Gaza (and to a lesser but still atrocious degree the West Bank) makes you a target. Period. No atrocities committed by Hamas necessary. Those are pretenses for what the fascist Netanyahu government already wanted to do, not the actual reasons.
Now who’s being fucking gross? To say, knowing full well what Israeli government “retribution” looks like, that anyone could possibly deserve it is callously vengeful to the point of abhorrent bloodthirst.
Don’t worry, at the very least double as many innocent Palestinian civilians as Hamas terrorists won’t.
Again with this complete ignorance of how ceasefire negotiations work, especially in THIS particular 75 year long conflict.
You have demonstrated nothing except your own ignorance and cocksure belief in the infallibility of your poor understanding.