French President Emmanuel Macron met with parliamentary parties on Thursday. During the meeting Macron said he was open to the possibility of sending troops to Ukraine, as announced by, according to French newspaper L’Independant.
Fabien Roussel, a representative of the French Communist Party, said after the meeting that “Macron referenced a scenario that could lead to intervention [of French troops]: the advancement of the front towards Odesa or Kyiv.”
He noted that the French President showed parliamentarians maps of the possible directions of strikes by Russian troops in Ukraine.
Following the meeting, Jordan Bardella of the far-right National Rally party noted that “there are no restrictions and no red lines” in Macron’s approach.
Ah yes, get two nuclear powers against each other, great fucking idea.
Do people not see how insane this is?
I guess he will revenge Napoleon /s And even Nazi Germany armes to the teeth failed, but Macron shall win now /s
If French troops were sent into Ukraine and were then hit by Russia, would that then trigger NATO agreements?
Article 6 says:
"For the purpose of Article 5, an armed attack on one or more of the Parties is deemed to include an armed attack:
on the territory of any of the Parties in Europe or North America, on the Algerian Departments of France 2, on the territory of Turkey or on the Islands under the jurisdiction of any of the Parties in the North Atlantic area north of the Tropic of Cancer; on the forces, vessels, or aircraft of any of the Parties, when in or over these territories or any other area in Europe in which occupation forces of any of the Parties were stationed on the date when the Treaty entered into force or the Mediterranean Sea or the North Atlantic area north of the Tropic of Cancer."
Aware this might be a situation where the spirit of the agreement ends up being more important than the legalese.
It would not. It’s a defensive treaty.
Ukraine isn’t a part of France or under the jurisdiction of France, so the attack wouldn’t be on France’s territory, and Ukraine isn’t a member of NATO itself.
Idk, reading it sounds like any attack on member troops would count
No.
French trrops would just surrender after 5 weeks, like they did last time.
Sort of a joke that they just decided to draw this gray line now, given that Russian troops have been advancing for months
Finally someone with some fucking balls
You can take my place then.
Right. Macron’s not the one putting his head in front of the bullets
I see the two of you don’t understand how a military works then. You don’t join a military, and then bitch and complain if you are sent to fight, it’s literally what you signed up for. If in this specific situation you are not French, you should also probably just keep your mouth shut
You don’t join a military, and then bitch and complain if you are sent to fight
Look at yourself, you are talking like an human without soul. People are not robots or machines they join the military because perhaps they believe in justice and want to defend their own people from villains. There’s no justice in fighting a war for business, there’s no justice in fighting wars for corrupted politicians at the expenses of innocent people.
We are all humans and everyone should be allowed and encouraged to talk not to keep his mouth shout.
because perhaps they believe in justice and want to defend their own people from villains.
So like Putin?
Politicians and rulers are bad actors and professional liars who use everything as a leverage to get more wealth and power. Stalin fought the nazi in WWII, was he a good human being? fuck no he was a dictator himself tripping on power.
Politician who these days call for freedom on one hand while supporting a genocide in the other are scum, it’s not that hard to see.
Wait… are you actually trying to push Putin’s “Ukrainians are Nazis” narrative?
I see you don’t understand that many European citizens are conscripts.
These are not the guys they’ll send out in a war. Unlike Russia, Western nations don’t need cannon fodder.
You are right, I forgot, the west would never do that!
Thinking the wealthy class won’t send you to war has got to but one of the smoothest brain takes I’ve heard all year.
Finland, Switzerland, Austria, and Greece. These are the European countries with conscription. On paper, Norway and Sweden have conscription, but in all actuality there’s basically no way you get conscripted involuntarily.
Yes.
I see you were too lazy to look out up yourself. The only European armies with conscripts are Finnland, Switzerland, Austria, Greece, Turkey and of course Ukraine. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/File%3AConscription_map_of_the_world.svg
I see you, and pretty much everyone else, missed the point entieely
and you don’t understand the difference between a career soldier and a conscript. Let me enlighten you:
As a conscript you will be drafted only in a defense situation, an actual war in your own country. Simply spoken when the Russians are at your doorstep.
A career soldier can send to missions either an official NATO one or one approved by your country’s commanding officer of your army.
As a conscript you will be drafted only in a defense situation, an actual war in your own country. Simply spoken when the Russians are at your doorstep.
I’m sure all those drafted/conscripts who went to Vietnam totally felt like they were defending their country from imminent attack!
you know that this is Europe here, right? But I see you don’t even care, do you?
Politicians and rulers never do, they are playing chess with people
Someone with “balls” wouldn’t be sit drinking champagne in a suit and send thousand to die out of business. Politicians like this one are actually mentally hill people with mental problems addicted to money and wealth
Politicians like Putin? You know the source of all this is Putin himself. He is certainly mentally hill [sic]
They all are, anyone who shakes hand with putin or his friends with a genuine laugh on his face is scum too.
As much as I dislike Macron, I’ll just remember that he was one of the European leaders that was favoring finding a diplomatic solution the most during the earlier weeks of the war. He’s probably being more opportunistic than brave, honest or committed, but at least you can’t accuse him of being a bloodlusting warmonger.
He’s probably being more opportunistic than brave, honest or committed, but at least you can’t accuse him of being a bloodlusting warmonger.
He’s literally waging war right now. Were have you been in the past 10 years where he has beaten and repressed a million of his own people and passed all sort of authoritarians law?
Fuck Putin with the big stick.
send him instead to the front
They’re okay with war because it won’t be them holding the famas, it will be me or other french people.
Fuck them.
Putin wants to take over Europe. You’re okay with that?
Any corrupted politician dream is to take over other countries, western politicians wet dream is to take over russia too.
Unlike corrupted politicians i do not support putin, i don’t have pictures shaking hands with him and laughing, i don’t have mutual friends with him, i don’t have a boat parked in the same dock next to his, i don’t have business associations with him and i didn’t sign weapons deals with russia a bunch of years ago like many EU countries did.
western politicians wet dream is to take over russia too.
Which ones? Please show evidence.
And you don’t have to like Putin to support him. All you have to do is do what you’re doing and be okay with him taking over Ukraine. To begin with.
I do not support putin, the ukrainian government or any other corrupted politician. If you do talk for yourself and not for others. I support freedom and justice, always and for everyone. You do not fight for freedom arming and empowering villains and dictatorships.
I support freedom and justice, always and for everyone.
Except in Ukraine since you aren’t interested in helping them be free.
Are you aware that since 2022 any male between 18 and 60 can’t leave the country and will be arrested if they try to do so? Are you aware that your own government is in business partnership with countries like china who also supply russia in the war?
