Start telling people now, over on reddit. BEFORE they start cracking down. That way, everyone will know, and the growth will happen even more rapidly.

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    I straight up don’t understand the appeal of a bigger userbase here. More users isn’t inherently better, and will definitely introduce more issues and problem users that will tax our still developing and somewhat fragile platform. Wanting that “instantly” is just asking for the collapse of Lemmy, imo.

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      Lemmy’s biggest weakness right now is a slow drip feed of content. After blocking all of the sports communities and instances in languages I don’t speak, I’m left with the following:

      • News
      • A bunch of meme communities that might as well be interchangeable with one another
      • Memes about a TV show I don’t watch
      • Newspaper comics
      • Animal pictures
      • Way too much vanilla porn

      None of this is bad content per say, but it doesn’t capture what I loved about reddit before they ruined it. Reddit was a place where even the most niche of niche topics had a space that you could check in on every day. Obscure anime, unusual collections, diy showcases, you name it. Cultivating a culture that produces produces such specific groups requires enough people to form them. In a group of 100 random people, the number of them who are into Ginga Nagareboshi Gin (look it up) is going to be quite low, but that number increases the more people you include in the sample size and sooner or later you have a subreddit for Ginga fans. That was why Reddit was special to me, and that is what’s keeping Lemmy from reaching that high for me.

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        Sounds like you just want people to provide content for you. Zero-effort entertainment at your convenience, platform be damned.

        Considering your have 2 posts to your name, I’d recommend being the change you want to see in the world. If you want a community for your interest, you can’t expect it to just appear for you, fully formed. Find the one you’re ignoring because it’s “too slow” and get involved. The reason it’s so “dead” is that most people think like you are.

        It’s estimated that about 10% of users actually participate in the forums they visit, with 1% of that making the majority of “content”. Imagine what it would look like if that changed? We don’t need to throw more users into the platform that will tax the system, we just need to stop expecting everyone else to entertain us and start contributing.

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          Oh, I’m so sorry. I didn’t realize that you had to make a certain number of posts before you were allowed to criticize the platform. /s

          Seriously though, there’s no need to get hostile. Having a hobby isn’t supposed to feel like work.

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            Browsing a website without any effort on your part isn’t a “hobby”. And if you have zero interest in being part of the solution (ie doing the work), then no, your criticism isn’t needed. Communities take work to maintain and build. Bemoaning the state of them without actually being involved is truly counterproductive.

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          That’s just wishful thinking that doesn’t address the problem at all. Even though you might want the 90-9-1 ratio to change, it isn’t. It’s an established pattern for a reason. Even if the person you responded to was gonna post a lot, they might get a few upvotes, maybe a comment or two on their posts. Simply because there aren’t enough people here to engage with niche topics. And then it feels like your effort is futile (which honestly it is if your goal is an active community), they get discouraged and stop posting and we’re back to square one with no meaningful changes. Sometimes it is about numbers and this is one such case.

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            Nah, it’s simply defeatist to assume that ratio is inescapable. On big enough scales? Sure, it’ll probably fall around those percentages. But in small communities like we have on Lemmy, there’s absolutely no reason only one person in a community of <100 should be expected to provide 100% of the posts or comments. We can and should do better than that, and the best way to turn those 90% lurkers into posters is too encourage engagement and reward it with our own. Will it work for every community on Lemmy? No. But there’s no reason not to encourage it. It could only help.

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      It will help more niche communities grow. I left reddit, generally don’t miss it. I also give zero shits about tech, programming and Linux. I am a sports fan though, big NBA fan. There’s just zero conversation on those instances. I would like to see the user base grow so I can engage some conversations about those interests. I sure as shit ain’t going outside and making friends lol

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        Big this.

        I am still interested in the mentioned tech, programming ad linux communities but the biggest issue is definitely smaller communities lacking in numbers. But I see more and more users and conversations on here over time. It has definitely increased since I joined. Hopefully we’ll see the smaller communities grow as well.

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        I am with you. I don’t care about what the loonix lunatics and privacy criminals preach (I already use uwunutu btw), I just wanna see interaction in the regular normal people communities without the reddit garbage. We need more people in here for that.

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        There’s really zero guarantee that any number of additional users will improve your communities. What would work better is seeding discussions yourself. Is it going to be as robust and abundant as Reddit? No. But the platform is also much newer. All of those subs grew over time because people put in the effort to participate even when the was “zero conversation”. You might be taking to yourself for a while, but setting the stage will be much better for the growth you want to see rather than aiming to fill it with random users you just hope make it better and not worse.

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          Bro, I’ve tried. Mods do a good job on the instances putting up content. But I’m hoping to get my news from those instances. Outside of that I get my news from podcasts. Not really sharable content for this platform. I’ve had like 3 replies from about 20 comments and it’s rare for a post to reach double digit up votes. I’ll for sure water plants but I’m kind of over planting seeds. I mod a couple nsfw communities so I’m doing my part.

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      Most communities on Reddit barely have any content. While Lemmy will never have the user base of Reddit, some more engagement would be great.

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      More users = more lifetime, for the platform. At the current level, I estimate that this platform will last about two years. Maybe three. Less, if some kind of significant problem occurs.

      You’re right that the instant part could be dangerous. That could be the significant problem I just mentioned. But otherwise, Lemmy needs more users, desperately. All internet things have to grow or die. You can wish that wasn’t a fact, but it will remain a fact.

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        Lemmy was already 3 years old when the API fiasco started. It didn’t need the users merely to survive.

        But in the context of the meme, more users means more content which Is a good thing.

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          But in the context of the meme, more users means more content which Is a good thing.

          That’s all I meant.

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        I estimate that this platform will last about two years.

        Based on what? I too can pull a number out of my arse and estimate the platform will last exactly 18,345 years from today, that doesn’t actually mean anything.

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          To me it looks like they think of the Internet like corporations do and needing growth to justify investment. I think that’s fair reasoning for sites that are profit driven but Lemmy isn’t.

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        The great thing about Lemmy is there’s no singular “here”. Make a community free from politics if you want one, or, if you’re able/willing, make a whole-ass instance. The makeup of Lemmy is pretty much 100% democratic, based on the content of those willing to put in the effort. If someone is unhappy with that makeup, it’s up to them to change it.

        Also, it’s worth noting that Lemmy is certainly not a curated garden of content. If there’s stuff you don’t want to see any more, it’s up to you to remove it from your feed. That is the intended user experience here.

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          None of that has to do with the front page on every instance and the lack of content. Remove politics and you have nothing. You hit non stop porn after a while and removing politics well just make it a porn feed.

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            I mean, I can tell you that’s simply not true. There’s plenty of content that’s not porn or politics. Those two make up the bulk, sure, but block all of it that you don’t want to see and other content is clearly there.

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      Why though? Twitter is almost completely inaccessible outside of login and nitter was shut down, it’s horrendous for nsfw engagement now

      You’d have better luck thirstposting on insta or tiktok

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    Why should I use Lemmy or https://reddit.com for consuming pornography rather than https://danbooru.donmai.us/ or https://gelbooru.com/ or https://e-hentai.org/ or https://realbooru.com/ or even https://pixiv.net or https://www.deviantart.com/ or https://pornhub.com

    The differences I see between link aggregator websites and those websites are that link aggregators have worse discoverability (it’s useful to have tags to search for and a hyperlink to the original source of a piece of content) and comment threading (and comments on pornography are basically useless to me). I don’t see how directing people looking for pornography to a link aggregator website rather than a website dedicated to providing it will be helpful to me.

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      helpful to me

      And here we have a problem. You’re doing a very good job of describing what YOU want. You want pornography. The kind you can find on danbooru.

      Are you a random girl who wants to post her tits and/or vag on /r/gonewild? Or are you a guy who wants to post his dong? Do they even allow random users to post their nudes on danbooru? Maybe they do, but not at all in the same format as /r/gonewild.

      I’m asserting that Reddit will shortly ban and/or heavily restrict explicit user content, over on their platform, as an indirect consequence of becoming a public company. Nobody has control of that, other than the Reddit board, corporate officers, and shareholders. I’m using the “brace yourselves” meme to indicate that this will kick off a flood of users, fleeing to the Fediverse/Lemmy, because we are a direct replacement for Reddit.

      If you haven’t noticed that, I can only say that I am confused. That’s what the platform was made to be. It works exactly like Reddit, but with several logical improvements (you can edit post titles after you’ve made a post, embedding images in replies is somewhat easier, the system isn’t owned by a single monolithic authority that can destroy communities on a whim, etc).

      On the one hand, I am suggesting that the influx of new users can be a positive thing, to ensure the healthy growth of this platform. On the other hand, I am literally saying “brace yourselves,” because the wave of crazy shit is coming.

      But I’m seeing several people responding like you, with this confusing attitude of “UHH, BUT THAT’S NOT WHAT I NECESSARILY WANT.” Well, yeah, that’s part of why I said “BRACE YOURSELVES.” Ned Stark was saying “Winter is coming” as an ominous portent, not an advertisement.

      I mean, I actually happen to enjoy anonymous tits and pussy, but you do you.