This community got removed from lemmy.world (again) - Divisions by zero
lemmy.dbzer0.com
This is another post that alerted me of this. https://lemmy.world/post/13287681 [https://lemmy.world/post/13287681] And here is the modlog: https://lemmy.world/modlog?page=1&actionType=ModRemoveCommunity [https://lemmy.world/modlog?page=1&actionType=ModRemoveCommunity]

This has happened once before and they reversed it. But they said this last time too:

The discussions that have happened in various threads on Lemmy make it very clear that removing the communites before we announced our intent to remove them is not the level of transparency the community expects, and that as stewards of this community we need to be extremely transparent before we do this again in the future as well as make sure that we get feedback around what the planned changes are, because lemmy.world is yours as much as it is ours.

https://lemmy.world/post/3234363

  • Admiral Patrick@dubvee.orgEnglish
    2·
    8 months ago

    Lemmy world:

    Users, not even on Lemmy World or directly affected by this:

    Pissed Pikachu with torch and pitchfork

    I’m not in the loop or even involved with LW’s admin affairs, but I would imagine there was a letter or email to them or their service provider that prompted that and likely named those communities specifically. Going out on a limb, I would guess the community removal was a timely response to something like that, and based on LW’s history, an announcement will probably be coming soon-ish.

    Before you grab your torches and pitchforks, remember: Pretty much every Lemmy instance is run by volunteers that don’t have legal departments.

    • rglullis@communick.newsEnglish
      1·
      8 months ago

      Evidence No. 3783 that “social media” and “privacy” do not mix well together.

      Let me repeat one more time:

      • anything you write online should be considered public.
      • There is no “consent-based” fediverse.
      • There is no “GDPR protects me from that”.
      • There is no “security through obscurity”.
      • There is no “dark corner of the internet”.

      No matter your morals and ethical values, If you need to have any type of conversation that you think might get you in legal trouble, do not have this conversation in a public forum. Use #matrix if you have to, and even then you’d still need to worry large group chats which may have some undercover agent.

      And if you are really concerned about “censorship”, then ActivityPub is not for you. Go join forces with the bitcoiners and use #nostr.

    • Neuromancer@lemm.eeEnglish
      03·
      8 months ago

      Remember: Pretty much every Lemmy instance is run by volunteers that don’t have legal departments

      One lawsuit can shut them down.

  • Blackmist@feddit.ukEnglish
    1·
    8 months ago

    A lot of people are saying “just connect to another instance”, but it would be nice if the client could connect to multiple instances at once, and merge things internally, maybe even spreading the load a bit.

    Probably a bit tricky for the web and linking, but maybe something for the mobile apps to consider?

    Ideally the only time I’d need to swap accounts is to post.

  • TORFdot0@lemmy.worldEnglish
    1·
    8 months ago

    Great thing about the fediverse is that you have options when admin/moderation actions occur that you don’t agree with. If Reddit were to remove /r/piracy then we’d have no recourse

    • deweydecibel@lemmy.worldEnglish
      0·
      8 months ago

      Very true…as long as the federation of servers remains as it is now, but I’m increasingly worried it won’t.

      I mean, yes, Dbzer0 still exists, and yes, you can access it from other instances, but Lemmy.world is the biggest one and users here being cut off from it from here will strangle the amount of activity it gets. Visibility is important for the health of other instances and their communities. There’s a good reason why alternative subreddits never outgrow the main ones.

      There’s also a sentiment among some admins and some of the contributors to both Lemmy and the Sublinks project that feels like it runs counter to the premise of Lemmy as whole: an unwillingness commit to a truly shared space or adhere to a standard for what federation is supposed to mean. Instances are not only encouraged to do whatever, they’re being given more tools to. And that’s good for fighting spam, child porn, and malicious instances, but it doesn’t stop there.

      I really hope an app or frontend comes along at some point that will seamlessly combine instance accounts and “fill in the blanks” created by instance admins so users can have a clear picture of Lemmy, regardless of the instance they’re on.

      • db0@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        1·
        8 months ago

        I mean, yes, Dbzer0 still exists, and yes, you can access it from other instances, but Lemmy.world is the biggest one and users here being cut off from it from here will strangle the amount of activity it gets. Visibility is important for the health of other instances and their communities. There’s a good reason why alternative subreddits never outgrow the main ones.

        Yes and no. While it’s true that piracy might not get “drive-by” traffic from l.w. users, those users who become aware of it, or who want to access it will be forced to create an account elsewhere than l.w. which will also help with redistributing users to smaller instances.

  • Handles@leminal.spaceEnglish
    1·
    8 months ago

    This is why you don’t sign up with the biggest possible instances, eventually they will become the biggest possible bottleneck in a network. Anything dot world admins do will affect all of their users, that shouldn’t be surprising 🤷

    As for dbzer0, this might affect users in the short term but eventually people will figure out how to access the sub from more friendly instances.

    • RobotToaster@mander.xyzEnglish
      0·
      8 months ago

      and federates with everyone world federates with

      Not entirely true, I discovered the other day, while helping someone figure out why they couldn’t access .ml communities, that .ml blocks furry instances…

      • alcoholicorn@lemmy.mlEnglish
        0·
        8 months ago

        I just searched “china”, and didn’t notice any authoritarian propaganda in the first 3 pages, but I counted 6 anti-chinese stories.

        The closest to pro-chinese stories that came up were that EU citizens can now travel to China visa-free, the CEO of evergrande getting fined and banned from business, and some news story about economic numbers.

        Would you care to point it out to me?

        • awwwyissss@lemm.eeEnglish
          0·
          8 months ago

          Propaganda isn’t obvious like that, and the core of most propaganda is truthful. Generally speaking you need to look at the big picture and what key actors want to be able to see probable propaganda.

          They’ll never say “the CCP is great and Taiwanese people don’t deserve freedom,” but they undermine people who would defend Taiwan and help shape things so an attack is more likely to succeed (e.g., supporting the Kremlin’s attack on Ukrainians).

          Not really interested in discussing it more with a Lemmy.ml user. I’ve seen too much bad faith engagement and don’t want to waste my time. Apologies if you’re actually sincere.

          • alcoholicorn@lemmy.mlEnglish
            1·
            8 months ago

            I think I see the disconnect, you conflate the safety of the state of Taiwan and Ukraine with the people so statements like “I don’t think we should sacrifice a million Ukrainians to weaken Russia” come off as undermining the defense of Ukraine.

            I’m certain even the pro-independence people living in Taiwan would prefer status quo to looking like Ukraine.