You mistake the quote as some kind of combined clause instead of two separate ones. Even if one can provide nothing, it does not diminish our responsibility to provide for their needs.
Marxism and its derivatives focus an unhealthy amount of the materialist elements, and ignore the human.
Anarchism does not, it proposes a basic set of ideals and leaves reaching it up the individual communities rather than trying to create a unifying scientific theory that applies to everything.
But this isn’t about Marxism vs Anarchism. AFAIK the quote originated in the left wing of the French Revolution and Kropotkin identified as an anarcho communist because of it. Graeber also refers to it here and there.
But this isn’t about worth nor exclusively about material needs. It says that you get what you need to live a good live independent of what you can give, and you give what you can which is also fulfilling
I help people alot, and I actually had to cut my mother off because she essentially pissed away $48k I gave for her financial stability over the course of 2 years via Amazon and TikTok shop. My father also owes me $5k dollars of stolen labor when I barely got out of the military and had nothing. (He used the money from my work to pay off other people he owed money)
Some people are deadweight and having to take care of themselves is not a bad thing. People like that have children with the same beliefs that are also deadweight. My brother had to have the shock of having a child that was the first person he loved so much to square away and stop being a felon.
I dont think people are worth nothing inherently, there is some inherent value in people. You should help people if you’re able but I can barely keep myself up, and I was miserable electing to support people, I could not imagine being forced to.
I think this modern techno-feudalism where everyone is a wageslave is depressing bc no one can realistically own anything while living fulfilling lives unless they inherent wealth or defraud/scam commonfolk. I dont think the issue is that people dont have the option to just have a baseline sustainable way to live without producing anything, it’s that even if you produce, you’re expected to produce even more for our corporate overlords.
Its not hard to be a net positive, its just that the view of net positive is so stupidly insane
Because our worth is inherent and not dependent on our production nor is it needs based.
Life is richer than a materialistic outlook.
You mistake the quote as some kind of combined clause instead of two separate ones. Even if one can provide nothing, it does not diminish our responsibility to provide for their needs.
No, not at all.
Marxism and its derivatives focus an unhealthy amount of the materialist elements, and ignore the human.
Anarchism does not, it proposes a basic set of ideals and leaves reaching it up the individual communities rather than trying to create a unifying scientific theory that applies to everything.
The human exists in a material world and has needs, regardless of any ideal.
But this isn’t about Marxism vs Anarchism. AFAIK the quote originated in the left wing of the French Revolution and Kropotkin identified as an anarcho communist because of it. Graeber also refers to it here and there.
A deceptichum classic
But this isn’t about worth nor exclusively about material needs. It says that you get what you need to live a good live independent of what you can give, and you give what you can which is also fulfilling
I help people alot, and I actually had to cut my mother off because she essentially pissed away $48k I gave for her financial stability over the course of 2 years via Amazon and TikTok shop. My father also owes me $5k dollars of stolen labor when I barely got out of the military and had nothing. (He used the money from my work to pay off other people he owed money)
Some people are deadweight and having to take care of themselves is not a bad thing. People like that have children with the same beliefs that are also deadweight. My brother had to have the shock of having a child that was the first person he loved so much to square away and stop being a felon.
I dont think people are worth nothing inherently, there is some inherent value in people. You should help people if you’re able but I can barely keep myself up, and I was miserable electing to support people, I could not imagine being forced to.
I think this modern techno-feudalism where everyone is a wageslave is depressing bc no one can realistically own anything while living fulfilling lives unless they inherent wealth or defraud/scam commonfolk. I dont think the issue is that people dont have the option to just have a baseline sustainable way to live without producing anything, it’s that even if you produce, you’re expected to produce even more for our corporate overlords.
Its not hard to be a net positive, its just that the view of net positive is so stupidly insane
Then your mother needed psychological help. That’s the “needs” part.