Still waiting on that CIA paycheck, man when CIA payroll dept finally pays me that back pay is gonna be sweet!
Liberalism is a conservative ideology, so yeah, it would make sense that the most liberal instance out there is opposed to communism. I wouldn’t call it a psyop though, instead I would say it’s Neo Reddit. Just a bunch of liberals all circlejerking each other over Wall Street and war crimes.
This hurt my brain. In my head liberalism is right of center, where as conservatism is center right, followed by fascism on the far right. I don’t know if this is accurate but, it’s my interpretation of the political spectrum.
I’m assuming you’re American? In any other country, the American Democratic party would be considered conservatives. If you compared them to the UK, for example, they share similar policies with the Tories.
American politicians like AOC and Bernie are slightly left of center. There aren’t any real leftist parties in the US. Meanwhile, most Americans would consider them leftists, because from our perspective they are the most left.
I was speaking strictly to ideological politics, removed from electoral politics. The American democratic party is largely ideologically neo-liberal, which in my previous comment I mentioned to be right of center.
It’s my opinion that elected/prospective representatives are going to obfuscate their true ideology (if they hold one) if it serves their interests. This often betrays the trust in their constituents, leading them to believe the party is left wing.
From what I know, liberal in other parts of the world often means market liberal, not social liberal
I’ll have to look up what a social liberal means. If I’m not mistaken, upholding the institution of capital is universally a liberal value.
That alone would make them some flavor of rightwing in my mind.
That might be, but as an example from Germany, the FDP are referred to as liberal, even though they are against pretty much everything that American liberals stand for.
Their main focus is creating a free market and propagation of unfettered capitalism.
From the Wikipedia page, it’s reads as the middle ground between socialist and market liberal ideas.
As far as I’m aware, the terms “Liberal” and “Conservative” aren’t exactly mutually exclusive.
“Conservative” originally referred to defending tradition and social order. “Liberal” emphasized individual rights, reform, and limiting state power. Though once opposing forces, the terms have evolved today, someone can be socially liberal but economically conservative, or vice versa. Their meanings often depend on context.
I agree with this mostly. I just believe being economically conservative or economically liberal, as a consequence, buttresses the same economic mode of production. I view that mode of production to be inherently coercive/rightwing.
Lol ikr?
I am also still waiting for my Soros bucks, let alone my my CIA paycheck
They’re really slow at mailing the protest payment checks.
Go figure, the government moving slowly. GAH
Yes, for example, me an anarcho-communist who thinks western governments are generally terrible. But ALSO thinks that governments like Russia and China are absolutely terrible and committing different forms of genocide, am definitely on a CIA payroll right? That only makes sense?
Literally, us anti communist communists are the worst aren’t we?
Tune in next week folks, to see if the campist tankies solve the mystery of who shat “our” pants.
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It was them
Truth. Getting told I’m and anti-communist because I think the uyghur genocide happened is annoying, to say the least.
Pft, classic CIA whataboutism /s
This from the group who’s intellectual ancestors shot at leftists like you and me before they shot the Czar.
“‘Tankie’ is just a slur for people you don’t like”. No, it’s a term for people that have a definition of imperialism so bad that it doesn’t cover the Soviet Union literally driving tanks into another country.
Yeah… Reading Orwell’s hommage to Catalonia was illuminating to me.
Really made me realise those “tankies” would probably shoot me if they got the chance. As always:
Have you seen how they moderate their instances. I don’t want any one of those fucks near any real power.
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Oh shit. I am 100% positive that the system should involve concensous and people should have the option to opt out with a heavy cost to opt back because it becomes convenient.
Oh wait, my system doesn’t allow for anyone holding power so I might be ok.
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I’m not sure which government i’d find the least shit. Probably somewhere like denmark maybe? Somewhere high on the freedom index.
Having lived much of my life in those European countries that are romanticised (Switzerland, Austria, Denmark, Netherlands)…
I really think they are terrible. Like they are obviously better than Putin’s Russia or Trump’s America. But they are still really bad.
I don’t think I can have a favourite government. I don’t know enough about the country for this to be a serious answer, but perhaps something like Costa Rica.
they are terrible
In your experience, what’s bad about those countries?
costa rica
it looks like a pretty solid choice to me ngl. It’s not one i’ve even considered. Thanks for this, i will look up more later.
me an anarcho-communist
Sorry to hear that, hope for a swift recovery
You seem like a sad person
You’re on the main anarchist instance.
I’m gangsta like that
Based.
This is not an authorised opinion. Please contact your closest democracy officer and ask for a free reeducation referal code.
Umm first off, you’re an intern, you don’t get paid. Second, I sent you for coffee like 3 hours ago and you still haven’t dropped it off at my desk.
Thirdly, Doge called and they want to know exactly what you’ve been doing this week.
Remember: our coffee orders are classified, so you’ll have to find something else to tell them.
Ironically, Clint Eastwood is playing a Korean War vet in that movie.
Meanwhile I had the opposite reaction. “Man, I really hope this leftist reddit diaspora is at least passingly familiar with some contemporary post-left theory from the last century and isn’t just tankie brainrot…”
I’m not a psyop but I am definitely anti-communist. Communism is fuckin’ stupid. Capitalism is out of control for sure, but I damn sure prefer it to any form of communism that has ever existed on a nation-state level in the world. Signed, a lemmy dot world user.
I’ll agree on any given real world example of communism that’s happened so far, but why do you hate it as a concept?
What’s your criticism of first nations communism?
Honestly, I hadn’t considered it and don’t know much about it to be fair.
Karl Marx was influenced in his writings on communism by Lewis Henry Morgan, an American who had been studying (badly) the Haudenosaunee. Marx mentions Morgan and the Haudenosaunee as inspirations for his theories. No history of European communism is complete without mentioning indigenous communists, who actually succeeded.
Community property, community ownership of everything, and the kind of government that is required to enforce non-ownership of everything. Because in my experience when you let the community own something the dumbest bastards in town will just fuck it all up. Community ownership of everything only works when everybody is nice and considerate of others, but in the real world there are fucking idiots everywhere who don’t care about the external world and others at all.
So for communism to work, you’d have to exile all of those idiots to somewhere else. Then you are Hitler 3.0 with mass deportations and camps all over again. There’s no good answer to the inherent problems.
Personal property allowable isn’t it? I understood that to be distinct from private property. The UK has plenty of council run parks, the NHS etc which are publicly owned without too much trouble.
Part of the definition of communism includes community (government controlled) ownership of everything. You could not own a house or land and the government could tell you that “your” property must be given to someone else at any time.
This would never work in the USA or really anywhere that values personal freedom. And therein lies the core issue with communism, as it destroys the freedom of individuals in sacrifice to the “greater good” of allegedly equal distribution of resources. In practice, like in China for example, the ranking members of the Party tend to get More Equal distribution of resources like having their own special gardens of organic produce that the common folks never have access to.
IMO it could only work in small communities of like-minded people, like the hippies and others used to do last century. At the nation-state level it inherently leads to authoritarian oppression of freedom.
From what research I’ve done since your initial post you don’t appear to be correct concerning personal property by most interpretations.
i think your view is valid buy i’d like your opinions on a few things.
Personally, i’m a fan of social programs as opposed to community ownership. Community ownership might work for small things little libraries, but if you scale it too far out, you’ll simply be robbed by the very people you’re trying to provide for. And you either have to hitler those people or cult them and i’m sure neither is appealing.
the reason why i’m fan of social programs is if you’re out of a job + sick. In the US, you’d just fucking die physically or finantially. But in another other developed country, you’d be taken care of, more or less. This can be expanded to a bunch of other things. You have a child? Let’s give you cupons (specifically) for childcare products. Your boiler sucks ass in efficiency? Let’s make a gov pay towards a new one. Too much energy usage? Incentivise using energy off peak instead.
i love these because they’re not forced on people but make a difference for people that do need it. I think these are more socialist than communist ideas, please correct me if i’m wrong.
~also sorry for typos, going through withdrawal.~
Yes of course social programs to help those in need are good, and we should have more of them everywhere. Much of Europe has this all figured out and in place already without resorting to communist extremes.
What we have currently in the USA are programs for food assistance for the needy, medical care through programs like Medicaid (in danger) and state/county operated Health Dept clinics where the poor can get medical care for free or income-based costs. So we are not without help entirely but there is a lot of room for improvement.
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Homie should take a break from pretending to read theory and read a book about grammar
“A book?” Jeez, take a hard look in the mirror, friend! It’s obviously “an book.”
Trolling is a art.
But why is it called the Xbox 360?
Can someone give me the rundown about why this is a thing? I’ve gotten called names and dismissed in political discussion because of the domain, but I’m literally only here because it’s what Boost switched to when the Reddit API pricing bullshit happened.
You mean why .ml are the way that they are? See this recap post: https://lemmy.world/post/29072279
As far as why they shit on .world? Because it’s the biggest instance that generally won’t tolerate their crap as far as posting of their favored propaganda goes anyways (wish .world would just defed from them already like the rest of the triad)
I had some mouth breathing chuds on Discord accuse me of being a CIA psyop because I didn’t want to play a game with EAC (a specific kind of kernel level anticheat) yes, being anti spyware makes me a spook, cmon guys are you even trying 🙄
eac on linux is userspace only
regardless, kernel level ac isn’t a solution. DMA is a thing and is piss easy to bypass.
eac on linux is userspace only
It also is largely unsupported by games. I’m fine playing EAC games on Linux, not fine playing EAC games that don’t work on Linux.
Yeah, me too tbh. Just any game shown as not working on protondb is a no go for me
Remember how russia got completely surprised by Ukraine’s collectivism and national identity?
Yeah, if one does actual psyops and mass propaganda at national level, you can present and see your enemy through a similar mindset (yes, goes for usa and china bs as well).
The most hilarious thing was a circlejerk convincing dummies there is a grassroot movement between polish kids in being interested in russia, the language and communism.
Bitch gtfo. Any kid who would get caught with this shit would get smacked in the head at light speed. Yes, there is such thing. But ran by russian troll farms. What was proven by journalists, ngos as well as eu intel agencies.Of course the most legitimate account is PolandIsAStateOf… Whoever is running that account does not use polish ever.
I mean, my mom learnt some russian and some german but i doubt it was because of communism. This was like 1980s ish tho. Not sure exactly when.
Being called a single issue voter for caring about Palestinian children at all and a tankie for caring about economic liberation certainly would make this meme seem accurate.
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Strawman argument
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Your comment was a low effort strawman (and I suspect you to be little more than a liberal troll) for three reasons:
- Conflation of Socialism and state socialism
- False dichotomy of socialism and democracy
- Subtly hinting that only liberal democracy can bring freedom as opposed to workers democracy
From your second comment you have effectively proven that you are deeply unwilling to learn about the liberation of the workers. You are either deeply uniformed and/or you simply do not want to be informed. If you have any intrest in genuenly understanding my economic views feel free to read Think It Over by the IWW (its a very short read).
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Tell me, whats so free about your Liberal Democracy? Congratulations you get to choose between two politicans but they’re both owned by the same corporations. You get free speech until it threatens capital or state. Lastly you enjoy the right to oppress people but only if you’re privileged. Right now we live in a dictatorship of capital, a system build on imperialism and today runs on neocolonialism.
Yet you arent guaranteed shelter, you aren’t guaranteed food, you aren’t even guaranteed to see more than a sliver of the fruits of your labor. You own nothing, you have nothing, everything that you think you have is crumbling around you as the liberal system falls.
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Tell me, did the Nordic countries reject democracy when they embraced socialism?
This is just a simple question, I’m sure you are willing to give an answer to it.
A little projection coming from the Chinese psyop to get western countries on board with dictatorships.
Wait! You guys are getting paid?!
Contact your handler if you’re not. Sometimes the payments get stuck in bureaucratic limbo
