• IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works
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      7 months ago

      If that’s how it works, then a stable anarchist society is impossible. The first asshole that comes along with a bigger gun than everyone else will have it right back to a dictatorship.

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        7 months ago

        That’s true for all types of society. But it also means that a completely anarchist society is more stable than the rest because the means of self defence are equally distributed and that everyone would rise against such authoritarian attack.

        • IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works
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          7 months ago

          the means of self defence are equally distributed

          That has never been, and will never be true. You could magically eliminate all weapons on the planet simultaneously and it still won’t be true, since some people are bigger and stronger than others.

          And in case you haven’t been paying attention to history; authoritarians very rarely just show up out of nowhere and take over. They are usually installed as leader after some form of revolution, then the title just gets transferred once the authoritarian system is in place. It’s usually far more insidious than just some guy the village has to band together to fight off.

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            7 months ago

            It doesn’t mean that every person has equal ability to physically defend themselves, but that society has the mechanisms to defend everyone that is being attacked. A grandma doesn’t need to be able to self defend against a thug in the street if the people nearby do it for her.

            The second paragraph is not relevant as there are no historical examples of a dictator getting into power from within an anarchist society.

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              7 months ago

              You’re at the magical thinking “And then of course we will all…” crutch that a lot of philosophies lean on

              Capitalism: We’ll deregulate and open the market to everyone, and then there will be “perfect competition” in a “free market”

              Communism: We have state socialism until society is prepared, and then transition to communism

              Anarchism: We won’t have a central authority to prevent aggression, obviously we will work together as mutual interest aligns. And 100% no roving bands of raiders or warlords will ever ruin our society!

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      7 months ago

      This, but much more importantly - when everyone’s needs are met, and there is no hierarchy to try and get to the top of at the expense of others, people will have no reason to do shit like steal in the first place.

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        7 months ago

        And what about the long road it takes to get to everyone’s needs being met? How will you ever get to that point? It doesn’t just happen overnight.

        That may be no reason to do shit like that once everyone’s needs are being met, but there will be until you get to that point, and because of that, there’s no reason to think you would.