They are going to be primaried, right
RIGHT?
Dont listen to their words, only watch their actions. By actions alone, these 2 are MAGA.
Yup, they are republican plants.
Is it perhaps possible they’ve been negatively coerced or threatened? I feel like this might explain a fair amount of behavior of their ilk and we are dealing with the mob after all.
They’re fall guys. They’re handsomely paid to take the blame and be called republican plants, they ensure the DNC cannot achieve goals counter to their and their donors’ interests, but they need to maintain progressive rhetoric to keep the voter base pacified.
If they’re replaced, two new fall guys will pop up on future issues. They allow the DNC to operate as a complicit cooperator while claiming to be the opposition.
The DNC has always had rotating villains to foil their promises
It’s like Hannity and Colmes.
Colmes died. Now it’s just Hannity.
How many Nazis were only Nazis because of blackmail?
“We’ll figure out the accountability mechanisms at the appropriate time,” Jeffries told reporters.
Didn’t realize this was an inappropriate time to try to stop them from kidnapping and murdering people.
“We’ll figure out the accountability mechanisms at the appropriate time,” Jeffries told reporters.
This reeks of post school shooting rhetoric, ‘now is not the time to discuss gun law’ in the immediate aftermath of mass child slaughter.
The appropriate time was years and years ago, or at the very latest January 20, 2017.
“We’ll figure out the accountability mechanisms at the appropriate time,” Jeffries told reporters.
Counterpoint: no you fucking won’t
“We’ll figure out the accountability mechanisms at the appropriate time,”
That would be Flight of the Pigs O’Clock.
Well, you know… It’s friday.
Jeffries has always struck me as someone lukewarm, uncharismatic, and even unintelligent. So many better options for that position, but he was chosen for the obvious virtue signal.
Traitors! Bought and paid for by Citizens United.
Chuck Schumer literally governs based off an imaginary republican family he made up in his head who he runs all of his policy decisions by before voting. He has talked about this openly and repeatedly, for years. He calls them the “Baileys” and they voted for Trump.
He’s worthless
Holy fuck that’s pathetic.
They always call for cuts like this when they are not in power then boost funding when they get back in.
With Democrats like these it doesn’t take a genius to wonder why 1/3rd of the US didn’t show up to vote.
We’ve never had a government that put the needs of the people ahead of the wants of the rich. The closest we had was FDR, and even he only pushed the New Deal to stop us from demanding an even better deal.
Are you under the impression 1/3 of Americans made academic decisions to protest poor candidates by not voting?
1/3 of Americans didn’t vote because they’re uneducated, lazy slobs. Stop fooling yourself.
Why are you complicating things? Whos taking about academia? If people don’t see candidates that inspire them they stay home. This is pretty basic. The uneducated lazy slobs came out in droves for Trump whos vote share kept increasing, so why is it the uneducated slobs that dont like Trump didnt? Don’t fool yourself thinking all the slobs stayed home but also managed to vote for Trump. One group was inspired by the hate, and one group was uninspired by the lack of resistance.
So you truly believe that 1/3 of American voters didn’t vote in protest?
There’s that arrogant liberal hubris that rears its head around election time.
There’s that poorly executed strawman that’s all you have! Hooray!
Useless fucking losers
Who needs the diet version of fascists?
Those that refuse to admit that is what they are
Their donors
WE. WILL. NEVER. GO. BACK.
The midterms won’t save us. Pitchforks will.
Schumer and Jefferies need to fuck off, and NY voters need to vote in some replacements.
If Mamdani was a start, and if AOC runs, I could see these two panicking!
AOC is a party sheepdog, she can’t be trusted either
Disagree. I don’t see any other politicians joining Bernie on a fuck the establishment tour. AOC may be the Bernie of this current moment in history and purity tests are how we got saddled with the current shit stains.
AOC was on Bernie’s ‘fight the oligarchy by supporting my good friends the oligarchy’ tour.
If refusing to back a genocide is a purity test you might want to reevaluate your priorities. If that’s not a persons red line you are not a good person
I’d love to see AOC run for senate and take Schumer’s spot.
I just don’t see how anyone can hear this and see them as effective leadership. Minority party or not. Like it makes me, a dedicated left wing person, not want to support democrats because they seem to have lost the plot
They haven’t lost the plot, they like the plot. They don’t agree with you, they don’t like you, they don’t want to help you.
Completely agree. There are no US politicians who are willing to offer social progress or even support middle-class workers. If you’re not a campaign donor, you can’t get shit in this country.
Not that it matters who votes for who. After the 2024 election, it’s obvious the winner isn’t decided by votes anyway.
It doesn’t help that most of them are so old and rich they’re completely detached from the realities of the people they’re SUPPOSED to represent and serve.
Many of them either have never been anything other than at least upper class, or their time spent below upper class is decades away and very very irrelevant compared to those of us who are not, especially during this time.
They do NOT represent us. How the hell can anyone expect them to serve us?
New York 8 you know what to do – primary Jeffries. Start looking for your candidate now.
There’s got to be a viable progressive candidate
Oh fuck them.
Genuinely worse than anyone on the right, IMO, who at least tell you to your face what they believe
Personally, I wouldn’t care much what exact shade of brown the shit is when somebody is trying to make me eat it.
Lol, no they don’t. While talking about the dangers of covid vaccines, all of fox news and the maga politicians were getting vaccinated. Trump had experiment treatments for it.
Primary these worthless fucks
No need to wait. The elected Democrats can vote them out of their leadership positions now.
Someone needs to run against him in order to be primaried.
Yes. And I’m calling for that to happen.
Good idea. Should we vote for another Dem who will do the same shit? Or for a hard R who will do even worse?
How about a Progressive that will actually listen to us?
There was a big progressive victory in NV for the 2020 elections. The progressive Bernie supporter wing successfully took over the party from the establishment dems.
So the dems formed another party and stole half a million from the old party’s coffers on the way out, leaving the new progressive leaders with no means to pay any of the debts the dems had run up. They took the donor lists with them and started getting all their big donors to move their donations over to the new party they controlled.
Which is all to say that even when progressives win the democrats will try to destroy you.
So the dems formed another party …
Huh?
Sorry it’s been a while and I was going from memory. It was more an opposing faction that simultaneously resigned than a separate party and I think they may have just told former donors to give directly to individual campaigns rather than the party.
Either way they’ve wrested control back already. If you would like to read more, here’s a couple articles about it
https://www.nevadaappeal.com/news/2021/mar/11/other-six-basin-states-know-colorado-river-droppin/ https://www.socialistalternative.org/2023/06/29/pulling-out-the-rug-what-happened-after-dsa-and-bernie-supporters-took-over-the-nevada-democratic-party/
Oh that–yeah that was dirty politics! But that’s not what I’m talking about. That was about the internal leadership positions of the state’s Dem party apparatus. What I’m talking about is voters voting in elections that send the winners to elected office as state or federal senators and representatives, governors, mayors, school board members, etc.
So, like what we saw with Mamdani. He ran for office, meeting the legal requirements to do so. The Dem Party couldn’t stop him from running for Mayor. But they did whatever they could to make him lose the primary election, mainly by spending tons of money campaigning against him and for Cuomo. But Mamdani won it handily anyway. Even then, the Dem party didn’t even try to help him win the General. They couldn’t stop him.
This could be repeated in other places, other elected offices. Especially the House. And winning seats at the State level is just as important.
I’m not sure how you expected me to glean any of that from “Huh?”.
In any case Mamdani has been in office less than a month and while he’s done some good I think you should wait a bit before you go calling him some kind of herald of democrat reform. They will likely continue to sabotage him while he’s in office because any successful socialist is a threat to their power and donors. It’s not like New York hasn’t had progressive mayors before.
We tried that in 2016 when we elected Bernie Sanders as our Dem candidate. The DNC told us to go fuck ourselves and nominated Hillary Clinton anyway. So, no, apparently that won’t work either.
Times have changed. They can fight all they want. Like they did against Mamdani, and they lost.
Not the same animal though, the DNC manipulated delegate counts at the convention to ensure Hillary won, a tactic they will repeat if a viable threat rises during the general election
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But they could only do that for the office of president+VP, a national office. They don’t have conventions for choosing candidates for any of the other offices–those are decided in the primary, period.
Also because of the backlash from thatm after similar issues in previous years, there was some reform to reduce the power of the superdelegates:
Superdelegates would now be prohibited from voting on the first ballot at the National Convention if their votes could be influential in the outcome.4 (However, if their votes could not sway the nomination, superdelegates would be permitted to vote on the first ballot.) If no candidate received a majority of pledged delegates on the first ballot, superdelegates would be allowed to vote on subsequent ballots.
See https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7786873/ for more details.
Instead of eliminating super delegates they simply changed their structure. It’s still corrupt
You, voters have demonstrated that they are now ready to run rough-shod over the establishment.
You apparently don’t understand what it means to primary a candidate (from the left, in this case). I’ll explain it for you. The way to get more progressive people in Congress is to primary the existing congresspeople with a more progressive candidate.
Whoever wins the Dem primary in this district will win in the general. It does no good to wait until the general to just vote against the republican and get Jeffries again. You have to find and support a good progressive candidate who is to the left of Jeffries and beat him in the primary. If that doesn’t happen, no one is going to even bother running against Jeffries because they know they won’t beat him in the primary. People have to support support support an opponent.
This is how magats took over Congress. They primaried the hell out of the “traditional” repubs, from the right. They won some of those primaries and lost some. Then sometimes they still lost in the general if their candidate was too far to the right for their district. But they didn’t care because they still won in a lot of others. They kept doing this every election, and the more power the right got in Congress, the more trad repubs just dropped out and didn’t even try to win re-election. Once it gets going it snowballs.
There’s no reason the left can’t do the exact same thing to the Dems as the right did to the repubs. Well, unless it’s already too late now that maga controls the government, that is.
Regardless how progressive they might be if they become a perceived threat to the power structure their ability to change it is neutered by the structure itself and the DNC will primary them at the next election.
We can’t reform a system that’s operating as designed
OMG you mean the power structure will run another primary candate in the next election to try and oust incumbents they don’t like? Whatever shall we do, when the outcome of that primary will be determined by who gets the most votes? I can’t think of anything! I guess we should just stay home and take whoever the elites decide they want.
/s <-- because specifying this is always required
Yes. Because they don’t have the same networks, relationships etc.
