Except for banning them in specific areas and raising taxes and insurance on them, sure, it’s not banning the sale of new (and used?) ICEs… just screwing over whomever wants/needs to keep them and would rather avoid contributing to a landfill.
Not to mention most new cars, regardless of drivetrain, are spyware computers on wheels with built-in obsolescence.
You arent typing this on the internet, you are typing this on a machine/device CONNECTED TO the internet. A device that is routing your info and data threw an IP adress and if its a mobile device also probably has a GPS function. If its a mobile phone, even if it doesnt have internet telecomunication it can be tracked. Smart cars are also connectable to the internet and have build in GPS. Anything connected to the internet or satelite can be tracked and traced! Its not a question of if but of how and cost effort worth
Its not a question of if but of how and cost effort worth
Should be a question of why, really.
New smartphones ones are surveillance and built-in obsolescence, i’d rather avoid them and… can… to an extent.
New cars are surveillance and built-in obsolescence on wheels, i’d rather avoid them and i can.
Can park them at the edge of the city and take a train or bus.
If they live in the city, they can just take a train or bus and don’t need to own a car if they can’t afford to.
There’s still lots of these cars for sale in Germany. The fact that they haven’t all been exported to countries without such restrictions already, means they’ve been used in the meantime, since the restrictions have been in place a long time and a car that sits for too long is going to have a LOT of issues.
@boonhet@0x0 they’ve got ten years from now in which they just need to remember not to buy a non-compliant one. The number of people still driving the same car they have now in ten years is small, surely.
Why would i sell a perfectly functioning car?
And if selling new cars (which tend to have more efficient engines) is banned, what’s preventing selling of old ones?
To buy one that doesn’t fall afoul of regional emission restrictions, e.g. the ULEZ in london
what’s preventing selling of old ones?
Nothing, eventually they will find their way off the road through accumulated wear/damage. perhaps further down the road due to lack of access to fuel sources.
To buy one that doesn’t fall afoul of regional emission restrictions, e.g. the ULEZ in london
That’s cute but in my neck of the woods used cars are severely underpriced (unless you buy all the parts from a scrapyard, then they’d cost quite a lot) and new cars are generally overpriced anyway,
Its banning production and sales of new fossile fule cars. Not banning the cars themself
Except for banning them in specific areas and raising taxes and insurance on them, sure, it’s not banning the sale of new (and used?) ICEs… just screwing over whomever wants/needs to keep them and would rather avoid contributing to a landfill.
Not to mention most new cars, regardless of drivetrain, are spyware computers on wheels with built-in obsolescence.
Are you for us using fossile fule instead?
Also if you are scared of spyware…why are you on the internet my guy?
No, just against blind EV adoption and zealotry.
The internet is a network, cars are vehicles. Try harder. Or don’t.
What about it its zealotry
You arent typing this on the internet, you are typing this on a machine/device CONNECTED TO the internet. A device that is routing your info and data threw an IP adress and if its a mobile device also probably has a GPS function. If its a mobile phone, even if it doesnt have internet telecomunication it can be tracked. Smart cars are also connectable to the internet and have build in GPS. Anything connected to the internet or satelite can be tracked and traced! Its not a question of if but of how and cost effort worth
Should be a question of why, really.
New smartphones ones are surveillance and built-in obsolescence, i’d rather avoid them and… can… to an extent.
New cars are surveillance and built-in obsolescence on wheels, i’d rather avoid them and i can.
But that’s nothing new, Germany banned old diesels and very old petrol cars from cities long ago.
And the people who had those cars?
I don’t get the “it’s nothing new so it’s ok” argument though.
Can park them at the edge of the city and take a train or bus.
If they live in the city, they can just take a train or bus and don’t need to own a car if they can’t afford to.
There’s still lots of these cars for sale in Germany. The fact that they haven’t all been exported to countries without such restrictions already, means they’ve been used in the meantime, since the restrictions have been in place a long time and a car that sits for too long is going to have a LOT of issues.
If they don’t need a car that may make sense.
@boonhet @0x0 they’ve got ten years from now in which they just need to remember not to buy a non-compliant one. The number of people still driving the same car they have now in ten years is small, surely.
You don’t have to send your car to landfill if it still works. you can always sell it
Why would i sell a perfectly functioning car?
And if selling new cars (which tend to have more efficient engines) is banned, what’s preventing selling of old ones?
To buy one that doesn’t fall afoul of regional emission restrictions, e.g. the ULEZ in london
Nothing, eventually they will find their way off the road through accumulated wear/damage. perhaps further down the road due to lack of access to fuel sources.
That’s cute but in my neck of the woods used cars are severely underpriced (unless you buy all the parts from a scrapyard, then they’d cost quite a lot) and new cars are generally overpriced anyway,