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To all here wondering. People are not in fact made safe from closed borders, more security, isolationism etc.
How people are made safe is more access to resources, places to live, fewer controls on autonomy and better education on how to interact, better upsbringings and free access to healthcare both for mind and body.
Also for other countries to not harm them by bombing them, meddling in their elections etc.
ICE feels like they heard people complaining about cops and went “lmao let’s give them something to REALLY complain about!”
I can see why people might not be immediately on board with “abolish cops”, but ICE is tailor made to be worse than police in every single way possible…I can’t possibly upvote this enough.
But they were just following orders! They were patriots fighting for their country!
I mean, I’m always down to bash some fash… That Churchill guy sounds like a buzzkill
The Senate can’t abolish ICE unless they have a veto-proof majority, which they do not. They should eliminate funding for ICE, and pass as many bills as they can and put them on Trump’s desk though, and keep up the pressure until we elect a Democrat to be president in 2028 who will dismantle ICE and make ICE agents unemployed again.
Ok, but counterpoint
What if instead we just passed some mandatory sensitivity training and made them take their masks off when temperatures are above 65 degrees(we wouldn’t want to force them to get sniffly noses when it’s chilly)?
#BIPARTISANSHIPOVERSOLUTIONS
Dismantle ice then treat them the way they treated immigrants they thought were illegal. Aka imprison them then starve them.
Senate won’t prosecute itself ╮(︶▽︶)╭
This.
Then: soldiers.
else: ?
If Hakeem Jeffries becomes Speaker of the House, neither will happen.
Rein*
Open the fucking borders
Make it easier to prosecute officials who greenlight secret policies like warrantless searches, and to prosecute agents who murder. Otherwise, ICE is a necessary agency. It’s an absolutely insane idea to say we should just completely get rid of immigration enforcement.
ICE is completely unnecessary. It didn’t even exist prior to 2003, but a full militaristic agency was spun off of the INS to be hyper focused on border “security” after the Homeland act and 9/11 fear mongering.
When you’re on the border with a country ran by drug cartels and are the #1 destination in the world for illegal immigration yes you need an agency capable of defending itself.
No you dont stopping “iligal imigration” is not actualy usefull and this super combative stance america has taken against drugs is pretty harmfull plus ice is less of a bordercontrol force and more of a secret police force :/
Lets look at why it’s one of the top spots for illegal immigration:
- The US bombing the shit out of their countries
- The US overthrowing their governemnts to install dictators
- The US pillaging their economies
- The US putting violent drug cartels in charge of their countries
- The US selling weapons to insurgencies
- The US kidnapping their citizens and torturing them
Did I forget anything?
Since Mexico is by far the biggest illegal imaggration, we never bombed them, we didn’t over throw their government, drug cartels were already there, us corporations create jobs in Mexico. I’ll give you the rest, we probably did that
The agency that didn’t exist for the majority of our country’s history is necessary?
lol
I don’t know what the argument at this point is. So, you want to abolish ICE and then what? Have another agency do everything that ICE already does (in that case, which is just renaming the agency that does border security and immigration enforcement), or just not have immigration enforcement at all?
If it’s the former, why do we need to have another agency do it when we can just reform ICE? If the latter, you don’t care about border security? You don’t care about people coming here undocumented when the people who actually want to come legally have to wait years for a waitlist and over immigration causing instability, and drug smuggling and human trafficking? We should just let all of these flow in as much as they want? Because the idea is apparently, we must live like it’s the 1700s because things haven’t changed?
So, you want to abolish ICE and then what?
Then let people live their lives.
…or just not have immigration enforcement at all?
Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner!
If the latter, you don’t care about border security?
What “security” is that giving us? Seems to me that it’s causing more harm by giving thugs the ability to kidnap, rape, steal and murder. Just because they have a badge when they do it doesn’t make it OK.
You don’t care about people coming here undocumented when the people who actually want to come legally have to wait years for a waitlist…
Of course I care about them. That’s why I don’t want an openly corrupt system to deny them basic human rights. Yeah, it sucks that they had to go through a shitty system, but why should others have to suffer that same shitty system that very openly doesn’t do what it claims to be doing? Just because someone else had to go through a wasteful hazing process doesn’t mean that others should have to do it too.
…over immigration causing instability, and drug smuggling and human trafficking
Seems to me that the controls on the border are causing that. When people can freely come and go, there’s no reason for that system to exist. It’s like the “War on Drugs” or “Prohibition”: It’s causing the problems that it claims to be solving.
Because the idea is apparently, we must live like it’s the 1700s because things haven’t changed?
Things have changed a lot. We’ve gotten more kidnapping, rape, torture, murder and theft since we started immigration controls. It seems pretty obvious to me that we should stop the thing that causes those.
