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The willingness to forgive Brexit in this meme is kinda undercutting your conviction
Brexit was more like friends drifting apart. While the US is your friend fucking your girlfriend, slashing your tires, stabbing you and then demanding you pay him.
Brexit was arguably worse because the UK voted specifically to say fuck you we are not a part of your club, whereas the US voters moronically didn’t understand civics yet again and let this moron back into power who then used foreign policy tools to corruptly enrich himself and also piss off all our friends. And when US voters had a chance to vote on how the moron was doing they unequivocally repudiated him harder than any party’s been repudiated in the last 50 years.
What they will be weary of, and totally should be, is that they are just one election shy of another slimebag grifter who’s willing to do the same again. I think these fences are somewhat mendable considering it’s not our people’s animosity toward them, it’s oligarchs that are the problem. And oh by the way there is a huge problem with the EXACT same kind of voters and oligarchs and social media disinformation in every single one of those countries as well. You will need our help just like we needed yours to stand up to this shit. Our people share the same values still, they just need to be reminded of how absolutely destructive and empty fascism is as a philosophy and form of government.
We all need to fix this cost of living crisis among young people because it will only get worse as climate change will create a huge refugee migration and far right extremism will crash on democracies like waves on a beach until it gets sorted out and the rich people actually have to start paying taxes and can’t just buy elections, politicians, and sock puppets online. Or it doesn’t get sorted out and we will live in some kind of cyberpunk distopia resembling Snowcrash, which is the oligrachs’ favorite book and what they based the networked state on.
/rant
The US voted trump once, to “own the libs”. Then when they saw he was actually serious, they voted the other guy. Only to completely forget about it once again and vote the shitbag once again. Even after having seen what trump was, they voted for him again.
The only reason this time was different is because trump invaded Iran and now the climate-change-hating people would have to pay a few pennies lore to fill their tanks. Even though gas is still cheaper in the US than it was in Europe before the Iran invasion.
Let me reiterate. The only reason the US voted against trump is because he drove up fuel prices. Not the dehumanization of immigrants and its own citizens (he already did that first term). Not the loving foreign dictators. Not making crime legal. The thing that brought him down was oil prices.
“But he most Americans didn’t vote for him!” Most British didn’t either for Brexit. Not voting against someone is basically telling the world that that someone is good enough for you.
“But misinformation! The US people were just uninformed and dumb!” There was a lot of misinformation surrounding Brexit too.
The difference is that Brexit was a single vote, and afterwards a lot of people said “this is not the Brexit I voted for”. Whereas in the US it is “why is trump hurting me? I voted for him 3 times!”.
Another big difference is that Brexit is just the UK exiting the EU. Trump, however, initiated a trade war and is a puppet of our main aggressor (Russia). It also destabilized the entire world with its stupid wars. And sent fuel prices through the roof for everyone. Knowing full well the Europe produces very little oil on its own and is already struggling after cutting trade with Russia.
No. Brexit was not worse than trump.
Both Brexit and Trump happened because of idiot conservatives being fooled into going against their interest by oligarchs.
For that they are the same.
Let me reiterate. The only reason the US voted against trump is because he drove up fuel prices. Not the dehumanization of immigrants and its own citizens (he already did that first term). Not the loving foreign dictators. Not making crime legal. The thing that brought him down was oil prices.<
Let me stop you right there. The hispanic flip in Texas is almost entirely because ice are disappearing people into black sites at an alarming rate. It’s not just gas prices. It’s a lot of things all at once.
- Gas AKA energy prices
- The war in Iran
- Immigration enforcement (ICE)
- Tariffs
- Foreign policy (this could have a list of its own)
- Blatant corruption
- Raising the national debt to insane levels
- The push for AI
- The constant culture war
- … etc
I don’t know why everyone keeps insisting the only reason we finally voted against this administration is “because of gas prices”. If that’s what you think then you haven’t been paying attention.
As if we haven’t been constantly protesting ICE, Project 2025, and the “Big Beautiful Bill” for over a year. As if 40/41 municipalities haven’t rejected new data centers as a clear stand-in for the pushback against this AI madness. As if these midterms weren’t our first opportunity in our representative democracy to truly show our displeasure by voting… which we just did. Resoundingly.
It’s pretty stupid to take a whole group of people and trivialize their incentives down to one thing.
I didn’t vote because of the gas, I am still pissed he got back in. Kindly take your broad brush and fuck off.
Did you vote for trump in 2016, 2020 and 2024? If not, you fuck off, the post is not about you.
I’m not using a broad brush, my brush is the size of 1. I’m saying what the US voted for.
The US voted for trump in 2016 and 2024. The only difference between 2024 and 2026 is that the oil prices went up.
His stance in 2026 is the same as in 2024.
Even though he promised to be “the president of peace”, in 2024 it was clear that it was a lie, due to what happened after 2016.
His stance on Ukraine or Palestine have not changed from 2024 to 2026.
His stance of trade wars is the same in 2026 as in 2024.
His pardon power abuse is not news in 2026, he already did in 2016.
His “getting rich at the expense of the taxpayer” is not news either, it was well known in 2024.
His relationship with Epstein was already known in 2024.
Literally the only difference of trump in 2024 and trump in 2026 is that trump in 2024 was not known for increasing oil prices, since he didn’t do so in 2016.
The difference between 2024 and 2026 is that some people that voted republican in 2024 voted democrat in 2026. And what made them change their mind is oil prices.
Na UK did not threaten to invade to get to the oil on Greenland.
It did not start a bar fight and got mad we did not support him enough.
It did not spy on us.
It did not let us down when needed Ukraine we are here for you
They did not wanted to leave with all the money when the club was attacked
US did the unthinkable. That was not just bad it was abusive. All trust was abused to gain a bit of advantage. Europe need to cut ties. We can still be friends but we are not relying on you anymore. Also we are not your army and prolonged arm. Have your army in your country. You are not trusted.
It did not spy on us.
You might want to look into the 5 eyes… or the orwellian laws the UK (and the EU) are trying to pass as of late, because Think of the children of course.
Fix your broken electoral system and get money out of your politics and maybe we can talk again.
America was never good. It was always a fucked up country. It just got even more fucked up in the last 10 years.
I agree. You could say that for every country though, even yours.
No. America is uniquely awful.
“All men are created equal” - slave owners probably
Then takes out phrenological calliper.
Humans aren’t good. Look the fuck around.
Counter-claim: humans ARE good. Look the fuck around and see all the acts of everyday kindness.
It’s just that horrible people have what it takes to come to power. And, by extension, they know full well that if they shift the blame and make people think bad of each other, they’ll never organize against their true enemies.
I think you’re missing the forest for the trees. I have a neighbor, the sweetest kindest old lady ~60, she volunteers donates great house for trick or treaters all that.
Her whole career is working for insurance companies and denying healthcare claims. However much kindeness she shows on the weekends, she works 50 hours a week fucking over sick people.
That’s the rot in america just a couple of inches beneath the veneer of “goodness” we paint on ourselves.
And I, just today, had my neighbors giving away a perfectly good computer chair they could probably sell for a nice bonus, simply in the spirit of kindness and being good neighbors.
They are a couple, the man works in local firm’s IT department, and his wife works in the government clinic. They recently had her mom move in with them because she started to show signs of Alzheimer’s and they now think what they should do next. They are kind people, and help both their close ones and other people through their work.
You can always find saints and sinners. But the point is, overall, people act in what they consider good, one way or the other. Sometimes, people don’t recognize some sort of evil, or slip here or there - we all do. But being kind to each other is in the nature of things, and the best we can do is to notice and cultivate it further. Nothing good comes from treating others like evil bastards.
Why would the rest of the world want a thing to do with us? We’re mostly a bunch of religious fanatics, waving guns around and doing damage with big trucks. Keep us out.
As a Canadian, I kept saying that the USA was a ticking time bomb. We should have worked with Europe a long time ago.
Because we’re still one of the biggest economies in the world and money talks.
I mean we have money, why wouldn’t you sell us your surplus goods?
Yup forgiveness has to be earned. It’s called healthy boundaries.
In the kindest possible way: no we have not
We are still embroiled in all kinds of American infrastructure. Sure there are campaigns to encourage people to switch to non-american alternatives for stuff like IT and military inventory, but that doesn’t stop people like Olaf Scholz saying that “Google suite is secure enough” when talking about German government cloud solutions
Olaf Scholz? Is he still relevant? I think you might be confusing the former German Chancellor with the current one, Friedrich Merz. Who actually said “that Google is also investing in Germany and Europe, and that we can ensure European sovereignty here even with an American provider.” - which is utterly ridiculous.
What’s bothersome is that Germany is just one of many countries that’s chock full of open source developers contributing to open source projects that know better. Those guys are SMEs on the topic and their opinions should be taken as such.
Germany happens to have KDE and The Document Foundation which is probably one of the reasons so much money goes into “investing” in Germany by big tech.
Ooh woops yea I did 😅, thanks for the correction
To put this in perspective: up until February of this year Iran still had Cisco infrastructure for their networks, and it took part in the attack against them. It wasn’t until after this last war that they finally ripped out all of the American silicon.
Seems like this is one really difficult lesson to learn, or perhaps the students are just a bit dull.
As an American, I kind of get it and even bitterly endorse this. We deserve it in so far as a country could deserve something.
Unfortunately, even if this was true the average American who’d suffer the consequences would be too incredibly fucking stupid to understand and would learn nothing from this.
I wish this was how it is, but we all know it isnt and things will mostly just go back to how they were.
not this time.
I work in IT for a public company, and a big chunk of the budget is now for de-americanification (ditch microsoft, aws, and switch to foss and ovh).
As much as I would absolutely love for EU to collectively disown all dependence of America and invest in sovereign tech concentrated in Europe, I agree that it sadly seems like a far stretch, for now. But there has been progress - France’s government opting to Linux over Windows, for example.
If you wouldn’t mind sharing (totally fine if you don’t), where are you based and/or what sector are you referring to?
I work indirectly for “France’s government”
American here. My apologies and do stay the course. There’s still a lot of stupid left in this country. Hopefully it gets sorted out in my lifetime.
Dane here. I wish Europe was on the political trajectory that the US seems to be now. We might have few EU-Trumps in our future 🤦
Hopefully we can unite the world in peace and harmony before the psychos blow it up.
They aren’t going to remove tariffs.
Jeffries won’t even allow it to be brought up in the House. We have a conservative infestation in the Dem party. If we can’t get rid of the roaches in our own party, how can we get rid of the roaches in the rest of our government?
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There’s a strong economic incentive to have a legislative majority rein in the Presidential power to levy tariffs.
Democrats won’t do it. But they have a powerful incentive to do it. But they won’t.
There’s a strong economic incentive to have a legislative majority rein in the Presidential power to levy tariffs.
The courts have repeatedly ruled that he doesn’t even have the power to levy the tariffs he has, and yet people are still having to pay them.
The courts ruled against IEEPA based tariffs specifically.
That was just one layer in a thick stack of tariffs imposed under Section 232 of the Trade Expansion Act 1962 (National Security), 301 of the Trade Act 1974 (Unfair Trade Practices) and 122 (150 day Balance of Payment Deficit rule), the anti dumping rules, and countervailing duties through the Commerce Department (the President has been granted authority under law to retaliate against foreign tariffs without Congressional dispensation).
Courts have yet to limit any of these powers. Congress could amend any of them or simply impose new oversight and limitations on presidential power to impose tariffs generally speaking.
I wish we would. I want to be able to buy from ebikes.ca again without crazy shipping fees.
Wish in one hand, shit in the other. See which one fills up first.
its both hands theres so much shit
I wish I had more shit
Likewise I’d like to be able to buy homelab server stuff from just over the southern border off eBay again without the fees being 10x the price of the item. I saw a $30 HDD backplane with $400 shipping
You can remove the UK… They’re effectively the US next door to the EU.
UK has been drifting back lately. UK and EU just discussed and came to some agreements for a relationship reset.
Oh please, if ignoring America worked I’d have left it by now instead of staying to vote and fight it all.
Whilst I admire your voting and fighting etc I’ll also point out that the distrust of the usa and it’s population doesn’t just go back to the way it was.
I mean, I did that when Biden was elected… and then nothing happened to the evil people. Then Fatboy McKiddieFiddler was elected again.If you peeps actually and properly go after PresiDunce Drumpf, and the enablers and the handlers etc, then maybe things can change.
But if not then they will just get a more competent evil idiot to do their evil bidding and we will all be back to where we have been the last 10 years.
You are being ignored, and people have moved on.
Canada should carry on building a stronger relationship with the EU and should become a member. You never know, the racist neo-Nazi dumbshit Red Oblast voters, to their south, might strike again.
To be fair, the US should as well. But this time as a partner and not as a demanding child thinking they run the world. As great as it is for the world to grow stronger without the US, it would also be great for the US to be an equal partner as well.
But it’s cool if you don’t want to allow us back into the group just yet. We need to have learned our lesson before we can be an actual partner.
Foreign policy is dictated by the president. Tariffs could get even worse, though Trump is looking pretty beat.
Tariffs are the domain of Congress which delegated it away to the executive under three circumstances, unfair foreign trade practice, national security, and national defence. We will see how these things get interpreted going forward.
It seems even if scotus rules against Trump, his guys have work-arounds planned that start the whole process over. Hopefully that can change now but I doubt his level of hostility will.
Well thanks for unfucking
everythinglikely only a few of the things (we know you by now) that you guys fucked.Now go fuck yourself for a while. Maybe in a decade or two, if you show you are capable of behaving yourself (you won’t) we can see if we can be buddies again. Until then, get fucked
Conflating people and government seems to be an always recurring topic.
Seen so many times, over and over
Its a democracy, well, kind of, sort of. People voted that government into power. TWICE. Are you really going to tell me that the people had nothing tondo with it?
And even now, republicans lost the elections, big tike, but they still have large swaths of people voting for them
- People had a choice between two evils, and practically no way to elect anything else. Democrats rapidly deteriorated the quality of life of Americans and funded cruel genocidal wars, which led many to protest vote Republican.
- After Trump actually won for the second term, many regrets were voiced about this protest vote. Ultimately, this led to what we have now: complete domination of Democrats in Congress. People really, really despise what’s happening, but can’t do much else until the next presidential election turn.
- Trump won his first presidency through representative vote; popular vote (i.e. votes of the actual voters) was on the side of Hillary Clinton. Basically, in every actual democracy Hillary would win that election, but the quirks of US electoral system decided otherwise.
So, in aggregate, Trump won his first presidency against the will of the people, and his second one in large part due to protest vote against war and genocide. Protest vote backfired, and people try to at least recover some of the damage while thinking of new ways to make at least one party give a single damn about what population wants.
Besides, this fails to mention that people are different, and lumping them over their citizenship is extremely counterproductive. If anything, it serves the rest to feel superior while doing nothing. At any given time, about half of US population wants global cooperation, social reforms, and common good. They are not your enemies in any way, shape or form - they’re only unfortunate to be there in this day and age.
Same goes for other corners of the world, be it Russia, Israel, Iran, China, or anything else. Everywhere, there’s plenty of people who fight back, who do not agree with whatever their government is doing. They are not your enemies. In fact, these are often the very people you interact with, and shoving blame in their face is hypocritical, counterproductive, and plain rude.
