By Israel, do you mean the new nazis?
The libs are patting backs and plugging ears as we speak.
I’m no lover of Democrats but what exactly, in your mind, should have happened during this election?
No election is going to ever have an outcome that addresses climate change on the timescale that it’s going to affect us so who the fuck cares? Society will collapse and the American political system with it. And you know this is coming but you’re still putting all of your thoughts and energy into the direction of that system. The framing of your question is the problem. The thing that should have happened ‘during this election’ (read: the last 18 months and only that few because it was a midterm) was developing militant dual power instiutions so that when that breakdown happens we aren’t swept away in the default fascist renewal of capitalism.
I don’t think people realize just how close we are to a multi breadbasket failure and the deaths of 500,000,000 people lol.
I agree, proper change sure as shit isn’t coming from the Dems, but you can still try to pick the lesser of 2 evils in the meantime.
Lesser evil for who
Why waste your time on a party that is going to perpetuate the problem, when there are other parties that are fighting against the problem.
I’m not saying campaign for them or support them in any way. Just cast your vote for them so the country goes to shit a bit slower and prepare for actual change in your spare time. Organize a protest, join a union, burn a billionaire at a stake.
Voting for a 3rd party will never give them any legislative power bc of your weird ass election system. If it was a parliamentary system sure, but not with whatever you got.
Just cast your vote for them so the country goes to shit a bit slower and prepare for actual change in your spare time.
I’m not sure that’s useful. The Dems are a short-term subtraction of harm, but a long-term multiplication of harm. When they get elected, the fascist system keeps getting built out, but it’s all hidden away so that it’s not so obvious.
Voting for a 3rd party will never give them any legislative power…
Yeah, that’s what I want. I dont want the Dems to have power. Just like I don’t want the Republicans to have power.
I see your point, but going for the worse option so people wake up is rather bold. And at least I can’t do that with good conscience, because I’m a white cis man, I’d be the last person to really have any consequences from that. And I can’t gamble the safety of other groups like that.
I’m not saying be complicit. Strike, protest and riot. Make your voice heard. Call for a parliamentary democracy, whatever.
I see your point, but going for the worse option so people wake up is rather bold.
I don’t know where you got that reasoning, I never said it.
I’m a white cis man, I’d be the last person to really have any consequences from that. And I can’t gamble the safety of other groups like that.
As a fellow white cis man, not only are you gambling with the safety of other groups by voting for the Democrats, you are losing that gamble on a daily basis. When the Dems have been in power, they’ve been kidnapping, torturing, mass deporting, etc marginalized people all the time. They also help and enable the Republicans. They aren’t fighting against the Republicans, they are on the same team, building out the same system.
I’m not saying be complicit. Strike, protest and riot. Make your voice heard. Call for a parliamentary democracy, whatever.
Sure, but know that the Democrats stand side-by-side with the Republicans to stop that type of action from being successful.
Actually, why tf should I care about you fucks?
Whether its a democrat or republican, Palestinians and Lebanese people and Yemeni people are slaughtered everyday.
Why do your lives matter more than theirs? Especially after everything your shithole country has done to the rest of us.
Vote PSL or dont vote at all. And just for the record, for the next 2 years, I’ll be egging on MAGAts to vote for MAGA again in 2028 so your shithole country can implode sooner
Every election here is a missed opportunity to put in an actual resistance to take the system down. People make a million excuses on why we all need to settle for the worst or second worst candidate, and that’s who we end up with, every time, because the population talked themselves into it.
Yeah, most people wait until Election Day to do anything and it’s too late by then. There is usually no “resistance candidate” for them to choose bc of it.
Well, that’s what should have happened.
I prefer dumb right-wingers over intelligent ones.
dump is always worse. It is chaotic, self destructive and pulls everything and everyone further down more quickly.
“The Nazis would have been better if they were more intelligent and able to keep the holocaust going longer”
Well that escalated. I think racism, sexism, all the -isms really are a sign of stupidity, which everyone can be a victim of. Apart from very few people that are physically incapable of feeling empathy, everyone is capable of empathy. And a smarter person is significantly easier to reason with than a dumb person. I fully subscribe to the materialist idea here that not we shape our environment but our environment shapes us. And unfortunately, there is a lot of propaganda going around that tries to dehumanize others. It is easier to switch of the empathy part of your brain. The nazis were very good at this and pretty much the whole imperial core has copied their tactics. But then again psychopaths tend to gravitate towards positions of power.
Maybe i am naive and completely wrong about all of this though. If an idiot that fucks everything up as quickly as possible is actually the most optimal way to overcome the current system, then that’s it i guess. I don’t have a leg in the game after all. I am just an observer and try to not make things worse in my day to day life.
So yeah, maybe you are right. I really don’t want to argue about this. I want this to be over as quickly as possible, just like you.
It also resulted in the largest loss of soft and hard power the US has ever seen. Are the lives of you Americans more important than the rest of the world combined?
Trump is single handedly destroying your country, which is objectively a good thing.
I am not american. Don’t get me wrong, I fully agree that america losing it’s imperial power is absolutely a good thing. I am just saying that it is significantly more difficult to argue with a dumb person than with a smart(er) person. And a dumb person in power is just pure chaos. Idk at the end of the day it is useless to argue about what could have happened. History unfolds the way it does and we should try and make the best of it.
Don’t get me wrong, I fully agree that america losing it’s imperial power is absolutely a good thing.
No you don’t, you explicitly said that a more competent manager and maintainer of imperial power is better
i also said in another comment that i don’t think that the trajectroy would have changed with a more intelligent capitalist at the top. It is still capitalism after all. Self destructive system with falling profit rates and all. I definitely didn’t want to imply that i want it to maintain its power for longer.
Then you’re wrong completely. The effects of capitalism can absolutely be slowed down. They’ve been doing it for a century. And every time the US does it, the world suffers for it.
Which is exactly why we need MAGA. We need people like Trump to collapse the US. Americans will suffer but its for the best. The world has to progress.
The US regressed thr world by sacrificing millions of third worlders. If the price of global progress is a few thousand dead Americans, that’s a bargain
Stop lying dude. The US has to collapse. End of discussion
What do you mean with lying? My opinion? That i am not from the USA? Honestly confused what you are referring to.
And yes as i’ve said multiple times now, i agree fully. I just wanted to explain what i meant.
You are making a clear case for his being allowed to continue vandalizing the american empire
fair point. I think however that the trajectory the USA is on would not have changed significantly even with the Democrats in power and the world would have maybe avoided at least a few tragedies. Not the big one in Palestine, obviously. Everyone seems to be on board with that one. But i don’t know, to be honest with you. I just hope that that whole shit is over sooner rather than later …
The downside is that, when the american empire flails, it hurts others too :(
“The Nazi Reich can’t be allowed to fall, it might hurt people”
It existing hurts all of us more. The US has to go buddy
That’s true, a wounded animal lashes out. But these death throes, as dramatic as they are, are still so much less deadly than business as usual. It’s like the last set of nazis: putting them down did require incredible violence, but nowhere near as much violence as they would have visited on the world otherwise.
I won’t lie about the situation, the capitalism is late-stage and all over our body. Our only choices are the pain of surgery or an agonizing death by cancer.
Absolutely. I still want to see America go down, but it will have negative external consequences.
I worry about it too, how to help people and how to prepare. I hope that the American state’s terminal belligerence can force enough of the rest of the world into cooperation against it to create the kind of framework we need to deal with the worst of climate collapse and maybe nurse our planet to better health. But yeah, with the bottomless depravity we know the empire is capable of, you’d be crazy not to be worried. It can be paralyzing when you try to take in the scale of the threat, and in these times I find refuge in trying to build with what few real life comrades I have.
It hurts others when it’s successful as well. Arguably way more.
Oh, total agreement there. I’m not saying that the American empire shouldn’t die, just that it will cause damage when it does.
Yeah but jt won’t be unprecedented. We’ve always had global empires rise and fall.
Except we never had a socialist power before to help smoothen things over. Now we do. The future is bright comrade.
This is what the billionaires told me about anti-capitalism.
I want the USA to self-destruct actually. And pulling some of the imperial core with it isn’t the worst either.
yeah absolutely. The core can go to shit. I was rather talking about all the collaterals that have to suffer as the dying empire lashes out in desparation/confusion.
But they had high gas prices and ICE even killed 2 WHITE people.
You gotta understand!😭
Come on now, you can’t be that transparent, people won’t believe you’re sincere
Imagine blaming politicals parties when this is clearly a problem with the MIC. As long as war is profitable this will never end. China, Russia, and Europe are guilty as well of selling arms that are used to kill civilians.
China and Russia don’t sell weapons to Israel (though China does sell surveillance technology to them). Not sure why you didn’t quickly fact check this beforehand.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Countries_supplying_arms_to_IsraelIsrael depends on America itself to continue its existence, not mere arms sales. If any of these other countries were literally wiped off the map, Israel would continue to exist because America would still defend it. If you think that none of your political parties will end support for Israel, even though there are ones that would do it, at least vote for the party that will destroy America the quickest.
They sell plenty of weapons that kill civilians.
Both political parties ARE part of the MIC.
Democrat facilitation or Republican facilitation. The issue was not on the ballot. I think the Democrats are slightly more likely to be sympathetic to the Palestinians since they are not so overtly racist against people of color.
Don’t pull a Mehdi Hasan please :(
Neither party is doing this for “racism”, they’re doing it for American supremacy. The Democratic Party also murdered more Palestinians than the Republican Party; and they continue to support Israel, just with controlled “opposition”.
I think I’ve seen you pop up a couple of times saying “The Democratic Party also murdered more Palestinians than the Republican Party”. What do you mean by that and what are the sources?
I didn’t think the US was really all that directly involved in the Palestinian conflict, but more tacitly responsible for arming Israel and not trying to rein them in.
Additionally, if you’re talking about Biden vs Trump admins as your timeline for dem/repub, that’s really just different phases of the conflict rather than one admin doing anything more/less. If anything, the real relief that Palestine has gotten is Israel dragging the US into war with Iran. Can’t really expend resources on Palestine when fighting a country that’s equally capable.
I think I’ve seen you pop up a couple of times saying “The Democratic Party also murdered more Palestinians than the Republican Party”. What do you mean by that and what are the sources?
You probably saw u/geneva_convenience say it before, not me.
The figures I’ll provide here will be a severe undercount, because they’ll be from the Gaza Health Ministry’s verified numbers and thus will not include for example bodies trapped under rubble. It also will not include “non-violent” causes of death such as starvation and sickness.
January 2025 - At least 47,354 Palestinians murdered. (This is when Biden left office)
October 2026 - At least 74,494 Palestinians murdered. (27,140 killed since Trump took office)I didn’t think the US was really all that directly involved in the Palestinian conflict
Then you should really educate yourself. You’re both calling the genocide a conflict and denying American involvement in it. It’s been three fucking years.
Do you seriously think these numbers prove anything? All these numbers say is that initial stages of the genocide were more intense and as Israel achieved more of its ethnic cleansing goals it slowed down. If Trump was in office before 2025, those numbers would not decrease. One would have to be really delusional to think Trump might have possibly slowed down the genocide in Gaza. He is a guy who makes AI videos of himself bombing Gaza and building resorts there. The fact remains previous democrat governments and Trump have supported Israel in this genocide just as much. There is atleast internally more people in democrats who oppose supporting Israel than there is in Republicans. But ofcourse if the issue is that Democrats are more willing to aid Ukraine than Trump, that should perhaps be your talking point rather than trying to prove Trump is better for Gaza which is funny.
Fam, death to the US lol. That’s the endgoal. Your shithole joke of a country going down the drain and hopefully dragging the imperial core with it
This is just another form of racism and extremism. Don’t expect people to prefer your extremism over other forms of extremism like western nationalism. They are one and the same and don’t deserve to exist in this world. Sucking up to billionaires or sucking up to dictators or sucking up to “omnipotent” leaders are just different faces of the same cringe.
“anti-fascists are the same as fascists!”
“The actual numbers of dead Palestinians don’t matter to the question of who killed more, what matters is Drumpfs twitter posts!”
You don’t care about Palestinian lives, you just care about decorum
You either can’t comprehend what you read or are just here for agitation:
If Trump was in office before 2025, those numbers would not decrease.
They are both shit. Under the Republicans, the genocide expanded into Lebanon and Iran. We’re bombing school girls without even getting a Congressional rubber stamp for expanding the war. There was not a good choice on the ballot with respect to the genocide.
Didn’t Harris say Iran was the biggest adversary or some shit? It’s crazy you believe it’d have been different under the democrats when historically they’re the same outside of your borders. Even AOC is shit at foreign affairs, and Mamdani did his part in legitimizing the shit they did to Venezuela and Cuba. So no, you’re wrong, and if you see us as humans you gotta be better and do better so we have a world tomorrow, and so our neighbors don’t get disappeared or bombed in the meantime.
wut? Where did you get that idea from?
Harris famously lost her election, mostly because she refused to say “the genocide against palastinians is bad”. Obama joked about how good he was at killing people in the middle-east. Biden pretty openly supported Israel murdering innocent people, while bombing more innocent people in the middle-east.
Nothing you have argued is an argument that tells me I should vote for the orange child rapist. I had no option on my ballot that doesn’t suck. I am not going to run for office, and I am not going to die fighting the assholes that are in charge. I want better, but I have no power to do anything except throw my own life away.
Nothing you have argued is an argument that tells me I should vote for the orange child rapist.
Uh, you are technically correct, but I don’t know what your talking about. I never advocated for you voting for him. I hate him more than I hate the Democrats.
I had no option on my ballot that doesn’t suck.
Then do a write-in
I am not going to run for office, and I am not going to die fighting the assholes that are in charge.
Yeah, giving up seems like your strategy. I’m saying that is a bad strategy, that has openly not worked so far.
I want better, but I have no power to do anything except throw my own life away.
Well, unlike you, I don’t think fighting fascim and genocide is “throwing your life away”. I think those are pretty worthwhile causes to fight against.
You also do have power, in other options than that: Help out locally at homeless shelters, food banks, street-cleanups, envrionmental cleanups. Pass out fliers, support mutual-aid groups, etc.
Lmfao
