I am just saying that it’s ridiculous to add deaths by famine to their death tolls. We’re not doing that for any other leader, and it’s nothing but anti communist propaganda, otherwise we’d be doing it for people like american presidents too.
Also the website you’re linking is not very objective, the Wikipedia article about Mao gives a way more balanced picture.
How many people did Mao intentionally kill? If you want to count all deaths by famine, you’d end up with crazy numbers in teh US too, specially if you’d add deaths by lack of medical insurancw or other avoidable deaths. But do we say "President X killed Y people (sum of above)?
I am jokingly exaggerating the number to show how ridiculous it is to count deaths by famine that was not intentionally caused by Mao to his death toll.
Many, many Israelis are conservatives. How do you not know that? Wait. You do know that. You’re just being dishonest for some reason.
Also, the opposite of conservative is progressive, not liberal. For example, neo-liberals like Chuck Schumer and Ronald Reagan are not progressive. They are conservative. The More You Know…
Olmert is liberal, Barack is liberal, Rabin, was liberal none support a totally independent Palestinian state. As much as I hate Conservatives they are not the only supporter of Genocide. Let’s not talk about the liberal West who, supporter Israel with weapons
Everyone you just mentioned is NOT progressive. You are only strengthening my position.
Modern “liberals” like Hakeem Jeffries or Gavin Newsom will pretend to be progressive by loudly supporting a few progressive policies while leaning right on everything else. It’s almost like they are conservatives in sheep’s clothing. And “centrists” (dishonest conservatives) point at these fake progressives and say “See?! That person is the opposite of a conservative!” That’s the deception you are trying to use here. Progressives are not fooled by that.
It sounds like you either don’t know what progressivism is, or you are pathological in your need to lie about it. Whatever the case is, you walk and talk the same as a conservative for some strange reason.
They are all from centrists liberals parties . It is a lazy answer to pretend some people are not what they are because it disapprove your argument .
Is Carney also a fake liberal for you? He also said he support a zionists palestine and he lied about ending arms sale to Israel so they continue the genocide
Again, you strengthen my position. Carney is NOT a progressive. And what is a “fake liberal”? Wtf are you on about?
You are just tossing word salad at a wall at this point. Trying to be as confusing as possible is also a conservative (AKA “centrist”) debate strategy that does not fool progressives.
That’s right. The Soviets for example, are very well known today for spearheading the revolution against that evil far-left Russian Empire thing and we’re extremely lucky they ultimately won. Who knows what could’ve happened to all those small non-Russian minorities in furure decades, if Lenins’ movement didn’t step in!
(do we do the /s thing here too? lol)
And NO, I’m not a conservative, before someone starts screeching. I’m a centrist trying to appreciate the good parts from both of the extremes, while spitting on the bad. That is my ideology. So here I’m just trying to bring back a bit of that grey almost everyone apparently has completely forgotten existed, making the mainstream discourse almost exclusively black and white.
So you admit you are a conservative. No one in today’s political landscape calls themselves a centrist unless they are slightly right of Hitler. Progressives are not fooled by that word.
Don’t be a twat. I very highly doubt you don’t hold some conservative views.
There is a difference between views and actions. So much horrible shit was done in the name of religion xyz. Does that make the religion inherently bad, or the people who did bad things in the name of it? Views and what is done because of those views are not one in the same.
For example. You could be upset about illegal migration. That is largely a conservative talking point. How you solve that could be evil like genocide, or something like making the immigration process actually possible in less than a decade.
Ah, I see you are one of those smooth brained pricks who sees any form of religion as evil, even though it has also saved many people. To be clear, I’m an atheist, but that doesn’t mean my beliefs are inherently healthier than someone living for a cause greater than themselves.
Please explain to me (in detail, ideally), which part wasn’t valid. Do you seriously think we’re gonna move anywhere, ever, if we don’t drop the never ending black and white narratives?
(or are you referring to OP of the comment, I’m in my bed with a pretty serious concussion, so if that’s the case, my bad)
Fun Fact: Every act of genocide ever commited in human history has been done exclusively by conservatives.
Conservatives are truly, deeply evil. Disown them.
Stalin and Mao where conservatives?
Yes.
You mean because of the 5 billion deaths they caused, if we sum up all people that died in that time?
Compared to Netanyahu, Stalin and Mao were angels.
I desperately need to know who your plug is, so I accidentally don’t end up on the same thing you’re clearly on. Seriously man, wtf
I think he meant the between 40 to 80 million that died because of the mao regime. https://factsanddetails.com/china/cat2/sub6/item1081.html
And the 1.7 million deaths by gulag alone under Stalin
https://factually.co/fact-checks/history/stalin-soviet-union-death-toll-estimates-1920s-1953-ddd053
Stalin was literally fascist conservative though, like he got into power by pushing for The Old Ways and murdering all his competitors
I agree, i was just clarifying to the previous commenter who apparently didnt know about the gulag.
I am just saying that it’s ridiculous to add deaths by famine to their death tolls. We’re not doing that for any other leader, and it’s nothing but anti communist propaganda, otherwise we’d be doing it for people like american presidents too.
Also the website you’re linking is not very objective, the Wikipedia article about Mao gives a way more balanced picture.
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Damn, killed over half the current population of the world eh?
How many people did Mao intentionally kill? If you want to count all deaths by famine, you’d end up with crazy numbers in teh US too, specially if you’d add deaths by lack of medical insurancw or other avoidable deaths. But do we say "President X killed Y people (sum of above)?
Who caused 5 billion deaths? You sure mean million?
I am jokingly exaggerating the number to show how ridiculous it is to count deaths by famine that was not intentionally caused by Mao to his death toll.
Settler colonialism is genocidal by nature, guesssseug and what the Israeli liberal did genocidal acts
What? No, It’s like a Jewish version of Little House on the Prairie.
Many, many Israelis are conservatives. How do you not know that? Wait. You do know that. You’re just being dishonest for some reason.
Also, the opposite of conservative is progressive, not liberal. For example, neo-liberals like Chuck Schumer and Ronald Reagan are not progressive. They are conservative. The More You Know…
Olmert is liberal, Barack is liberal, Rabin, was liberal none support a totally independent Palestinian state. As much as I hate Conservatives they are not the only supporter of Genocide. Let’s not talk about the liberal West who, supporter Israel with weapons
Everyone you just mentioned is NOT progressive. You are only strengthening my position.
Modern “liberals” like Hakeem Jeffries or Gavin Newsom will pretend to be progressive by loudly supporting a few progressive policies while leaning right on everything else. It’s almost like they are conservatives in sheep’s clothing. And “centrists” (dishonest conservatives) point at these fake progressives and say “See?! That person is the opposite of a conservative!” That’s the deception you are trying to use here. Progressives are not fooled by that.
It sounds like you either don’t know what progressivism is, or you are pathological in your need to lie about it. Whatever the case is, you walk and talk the same as a conservative for some strange reason.
They are all from centrists liberals parties . It is a lazy answer to pretend some people are not what they are because it disapprove your argument .
Is Carney also a fake liberal for you? He also said he support a zionists palestine and he lied about ending arms sale to Israel so they continue the genocide
Again, you strengthen my position. Carney is NOT a progressive. And what is a “fake liberal”? Wtf are you on about?
You are just tossing word salad at a wall at this point. Trying to be as confusing as possible is also a conservative (AKA “centrist”) debate strategy that does not fool progressives.
Carney is a liberal and support a colonial genocidal, power called Israel
Glad you are able to see that a liberal is not a progressive.
That’s right. The Soviets for example, are very well known today for spearheading the revolution against that evil far-left Russian Empire thing and we’re extremely lucky they ultimately won. Who knows what could’ve happened to all those small non-Russian minorities in furure decades, if Lenins’ movement didn’t step in!
(do we do the /s thing here too? lol)
And NO, I’m not a conservative, before someone starts screeching. I’m a centrist trying to appreciate the good parts from both of the extremes, while spitting on the bad. That is my ideology. So here I’m just trying to bring back a bit of that grey almost everyone apparently has completely forgotten existed, making the mainstream discourse almost exclusively black and white.
“I’m a centrist…”
So you admit you are a conservative. No one in today’s political landscape calls themselves a centrist unless they are slightly right of Hitler. Progressives are not fooled by that word.
Don’t be a twat. I very highly doubt you don’t hold some conservative views.
There is a difference between views and actions. So much horrible shit was done in the name of religion xyz. Does that make the religion inherently bad, or the people who did bad things in the name of it? Views and what is done because of those views are not one in the same.
For example. You could be upset about illegal migration. That is largely a conservative talking point. How you solve that could be evil like genocide, or something like making the immigration process actually possible in less than a decade.
That’s one reason, yes.
Ah, I see you are one of those smooth brained pricks who sees any form of religion as evil, even though it has also saved many people. To be clear, I’m an atheist, but that doesn’t mean my beliefs are inherently healthier than someone living for a cause greater than themselves.
Lol, stupid liberal thinks he made a valid point
Please explain to me (in detail, ideally), which part wasn’t valid. Do you seriously think we’re gonna move anywhere, ever, if we don’t drop the never ending black and white narratives?
(or are you referring to OP of the comment, I’m in my bed with a pretty serious concussion, so if that’s the case, my bad)