Yes, take it. Then immediately update your resume with your new job title and look for another job.
Yes you should take it, if you got no other options.
Then you immediately update your CV with your new job title and jump ship for more pay. If the orginal company offers to match the pay you say “you had the chance to pay me more. If you valued me that much, you could have paid me that much from the start”
Don’t go back on your intent to leave for a better job. Some employers will see you as disloyal if you take the raise and stay. You’re usually better off leaving anyway.
There is rarely a situation where you should allow your employer to match the offer you have in hand.
They had the opportunity to do so and then failed to properly retain you. If they realize how much losing you will cost them in productivity, that’s on them, not you.
It’s not personal. It’s literally business.
Yep. Soon as you commit to looking, you commit to leaving.
I told my last supervisor about every interview I was on; how it went, what I thought, etc. After a year I left abruptly (ie the pace at which they’d fire me). They were surprised, even after I’d been telling my supe about my hunting for a year.
If you take the raise and stay, you’re now a bigger number on the same asshole bean counter’s spreadsheet. Maybe the biggest in your role. That’s not a long term move.
I cannot understand why this is so hard to get. People on here whining about their employer using them. Well, yes they are. Use them back. It’s just business, it’s expected on both sides of the table.
Last three times I jumped, I increased my pay by $12 -> $22 -> $32. I could go again, but I’m kinda fat, happy and lazy ATM.
One of the biggest hurdles for me is the gap in medical coverage and uncertainty of what is covered next. I have a genetic condition that requires very expensive medication. Jumping jobs and hoping COBRA payments aren’t insane is a big risk, so I don’t feel confident jumping quickly between jobs if one doesn’t work out.
I’m picturing you on a porch in a Rockin chair with chewing some grass, occasionally stopping to look around and go “yuup”.
I’d like that.
Are you actively watching me?!
“yuup”
I guess the part I don’t get about everyone saying to take it and immediately start looking for a new job using your new title is that the new job doesn’t ask you how much experience or time you have with your new title?
Like, do they really not ask for 2+ years experience in that position or do you just lie to them or do you say, “Yeah, about 3 days now!” ?
From what I’ve heard is recuritment has a sort of preference for candidates.
So that’s starts: People they know that can do the job.
People that they know, that know someone that can do the job.
Then I guess it would be people already doing the job.
So you’re not going to be in as good of a position as someone that has 2+ years in the business. But what it does show is that the company you worked for, for a while, thought you was good enough to promote to that level. It’s definitely going to make you more likely to get the job at a competitor. If it doesn’t just keep apply for 6 months. By that time you will have 6 months experience.
You might need a month on the job, ratger than 3 days, just to show you been trained to run that job.
Also just because a job says 2+ years experience doesn’t mean they wont overlook that. It’s just that’s what they prefer.
I took a promotion without a pay rise on the agreement it would come when pay was reviewed annually. A shit deal, but one I was prepared to accept on the balance of things. I made clear that if they didn’t follow through then I would immediately demote myself and start looking for a new job.
Pay review came around and it was below inflation. I immediately demoted myself and started looking for a new job. I even requested an internal transfer that was denied (made them too much money where I was).
I handed in my notice a short while later and everyone was, to my surprise, surprised. I really didn’t understand why the shock…until I learned in due course that most people don’t follow through.
Funnier still, I returned 6 months later (due to a quirk in contracts) at double the salary in the dept I requested a transfer to.
Anyway my point is - do what is to your benefit, always. Companies can play games - as can you.
And their promises mean nothing.
So true. I’ve seen promises broken for a multitude of reasons: malice, ignorance, naivity, legality…we always reach for malice but it isn’t always.
Same deal though - a company will break promises, so don’t feel any obligation on your part. Of course this needs to be balanced with your reputation in your industry.
Its not malice. Its just something they said. It was empty words. Never an intention to keep it.
So… Lieing, looks like malice to me.
I handed in my notice a short while later and everyone was, to my surprise, surprised. I really didn’t understand why the shock…until I learned in due course that most people don’t follow through.
When I was a young adult, I used to work as a lab tech in a plasma center. That involved taking liter bottles of plasma, checking the computer system, filling out paperwork, drawing fluid and taking blood vials to run in a centrifuge, and frequently having to redo paperwork because the barely-trained phlebotomists kept sending them to me covered in drops of blood. Of course, this not only took longer, but meant I had to sanitize the entire area, change PPE, and get shit from the rest of the team for not just taking their biohazard-contaminated paperwork regardless. The room held 50 to 100 donors at a time, and the lab team was just two people.
My immediate boss would routinely just fucking disappear or taking random lunches, even during rushes, leaving me to handle everything on my own. She’d get pissy over small things, and spent time chatting with management in the offices, just hanging out, while I did all the work.
One day, she did something like this and left. I muttered to myself that I was going to quit. I finished the sample I was working on and went into the -40 degree biohazard freezer to store the sample.
Cut to a minute later, I came out of the freezer to see someone from management in the lab, saying “I heard you’re quitting?”
…what?
She said “Fine then. Go ahead and go.” (or something like that.)
I was stunned, but realized that my shitty manager must have heard me on her way out, and fucking told on me. I hadn’t planned on following through, and was mostly just upset at being used, but now?
“Fuck it.” I thought. “I said I’ll do it, so I’ll do it.”
I’m not a good speaker, but I basically stumbled over some short apology like that I would have finished the work day first, but would leave now if she wanted to. Her reply was to get all exasperated, as if she hadn’t expected me to do anything but crumple at being confronted, and she told me “Well, have a nice life then!” as I walked out the door. Never saw her or my shitty manager again. Years later, I did hear my shitty manager had gotten fired or something, for being shit at hear job.
I think I made the right choice.
(Edited for typos, so many typos…)
As others have said, you take the ‘promotion’ and IMMEDIATELY start looking for a new job with your new title on your resume.
Corporations are not loyal to you. Do not be loyal to them.
As a hiring manager, I’d never consider someone for the role they took on yesterday when recruiting. That just doesn’t make any sense.
You are allied with the crapitalistic corporaturds.
As a hiring manager I am sure you’re aware that when consulting professionals in the recruiting field, many people are told to replace their old title with their new one. The position they reach is more important when moving up than the one they had for X period of time, and many employers won’t dig too deep into it, especially if the potential employee can sell themselves.
That practice does not exist in my country.
Or it does and you never thought much on it.
On a CV someone would put X time at Y company, was role Z. How long role Z was is not normally listed and if I got a multi page CV with every role listed at each company I would toss it.
You want people who other people vetted as good enough to do <blank>. It’s often a first pass filter to even get to your inbox. Why wouldn’t you read the rest of the resume.
I read the rest of the resume, but I evaluate the people based on a proven track record, not on the newly appointed role with zero history.
Hell no!
I got a “dry” promotion at my last position, and obviously I took it. I then put my new title on my Resume, when job hunting for a few months and found a new position that came with a 20%+ pay raise.
I’m actually a big fan of promotions that don’t include raises, because it shows that your employer doesn’t actually value you as an employee, and enables you to get a much larger raise at a new company compared to whatever raise your current employer would’ve given you if they cared at all about retention.
This works great for highly educated white collars!
Not for the other 70%+ of the workforce though.
Why? Better resumé is a better resumé.
Preach it. I fought and fought to get my ASQs and CQEs (quality certs) as an automations guy. I worked in fda/dea/gmp environments with those systems so why they hell not. Took 2 years to finally get both and bailed immediately. Did all my bs six sigma bullshit along the way.
If it’s a smash and grab for them then it’s a smash and grab for me.
This is the way.
Always take the promotion. Then update the resume and start hunting.
Or skip step 1 and just lie on your resumé 😂
So the industry that I was in for a long time was production based, meaning your income is reflected by your physical performance. It was extremely demanding and also quite high paying.
So, I got stupidly good at this job. And I rarely took on additional responsibilities, because that would actually mean more stress and less money. In this industry, there were two reasons to go into management: you either had trouble coping with the physical strain that came with this insane work, or because you wanted to hold power over others. But it wasn’t a pay bump and it was more work/responsibility. Consequently the people who took this on were rarely the people who should have and the industry on the whole suffers accordingly.
Electrical lineman? Scuba welder? You have my curiosity.
You wouldn’t think it, but tree planter. A pretty quintessentially Canadian job. It’s piece rate, usually between 15-50c per tree. I got to the point later in my career where I was regularly making $800+ per day, with a few days over $1500. It requires planting a helluva lot of trees though.
Not a year-round occupation, but it’s possible to make a decent annual income by doing this seasonally.
That is the most Canadian thing I’ve heard all day, and also hella cool.
I went to school with a guy that became an underwater welder. Two things I learned about that job, it’s one of the most dangerous jobs in the world, and it pays a lot of money.
Haha! I worked for a contract cleaning crew for some time. Turnover was very high since the hours and wages sucked. The only people who hung around long enough to become managers were eminently unfit to be managers. Seems like managers are destined to suck for a large number of reasons.
I only take wet promotions
Extra sloppy please.
I’d only accept a “dry promotion” to improve my resume. Then I’d quit.
Here’s a secret: your resume is whatever you write on a piece of paper. You can just get a volunteer role if you want to be a director or lead something.
Don’t ever work for free unless you care about the end result. And definitely don’t ever work for free for your own company. You can’t be paid what you don’t ask for.
I think it’s great. Promote your employees to leverage their “promotion” on their resume and find a higher paying job elsewhere. Too many people getting comfy with these corporations that couldn’t give a rats ass about them.
Capitalism 2: Slavery Boogaloo
If it’s a promotion to less work, maybe.
Maybe.
More responsibility without a pay increase sounds like a scam to me.
You assume it means more responsibility and often it does but not always.
For example the promotion might be to “Senior Widget Fixer” rather than just “Widget Fixer”, possible it will recognise your experience but day to day not actually make much difference, until pay review or job hunting time. There are cases when it will make sense to take it.They makes even less sense. If the company recognized you moved into a higher Sr level there’s nothing between the recognition and the salary raise except bean counters.
Ok Junior Widget Fixer
Whoaaa does that promotion come with a free widget for my personal use during breaks?
Kind of an odd article, as sometimes there really are reasonable times for a “promotion” with little/no pay increase.
A lot of manual labor and trades positions require experienced people to be management, supervisors, etc. When you take a promotion in a field like this you might have “more responsibility” but the same pay, and that makes sense. Why? Well - because you’re not fucking breaking your back or manning a line all day. I think most people who have worked one of these jobs sees that as reasonable.
Unfortunately, most journalists and many people making online posts about the topic are people who have really only ever worked behind a computer, or ever worked in a big city - so these articles tend to focus on that kind of “technocrat” job sphere where everyone is just some variation of “computer manager person”
This is a very interesting take and observation, thank you for sharing
Yes, I like Lemmy - but it’s almost bizarre how much of a monolith the user base seems to be. I’d think that every single person here was a desk jockey of some sort who has never worked a blue collar job in their life. And that really does warp mindsets regarding what the “average” work experience is like (again, similar to how many journalistic outlets seem to assume that the ‘average American’ works in a major metro city in a white collar office job)
Naw dude, you legit just onboarded every bit trash that’s been fed to you. You are getting suckered into taking less pay for more work. It doesn’t matter if the work changes, the venn diagram of your responsibility increases.
I would never and have never offered or have taken a promotion without an increase in pay. I have had responsibilities added to my position without an increase, but when I figure that out, I ask to be paid what I’m fucking owed.
Someone owes you, and has been taking from you, you have lost time not being paid for the work you’re doing by accepting experience in lieu of compensation. Or maybe you are the boss taking from someone else because that’s what someone did to you. That’s a fucking cycle of abuse imo.
As another user noted, you are kind of a sucker.
I think you just don’t actually understand workers working together. The managerial class shouldn’t always have more power and money than the laborers, despite the techno-managerial class co-opting vaguely socialist/union rhetoric to make their high wages for less intensive work sound vaguely leftist.
Workers working together would demand fair pay for work, like the UAW.
By not demanding that, you are licking a boot, you are being exploited.
If you are on a group of people also getting exploited, and not demanding fair pay, that’s a gaggle of suckers! Just cause you’re the lead goose in that gaggle, still makes you a fucking sucker.
??? Are you just making up people to get mad at now? Did you read a comment saying I’m against unions or fair pay in your dreams? Or saying I love being exploited?
It kind of shows how out of touch you are with actual workers when you read me saying “I think laborers and the managerial class should be paid roughly the same, with laborers even making more than managers in some cases” and you manage to get so mad about it. You’re lost in the sauce of online discourse
No, I’ve read most of your replies, I’m starting to think you don’t even believe your own rhetoric, you sound ridiculous. You’re even purity testing people who’ve obviously had similar experiences.
You are making terrible arguments en masse.
I agree wholeheartedly, Lemmys userbase seems to be heavily weighted to certain demographics and especially on certain topics to the point where sometimes Id like to join in on the discussion but I take a moment and think “Do I want to argue with communists today?”
Life doesnt have to be this way. We can thrive, not barely survive. We just need to keep trying new things till something works while we still have time.
How do we try new things? We do away with First post voting and get an opportunity to vote for people and political parties that have fresh ideas. With a electoral system like Ranked Choice voting, people would feel safe to vote for whomsoever they wish, as their vote would still be counted even if their preference didn’t win.
Just search for videos on FPTP voting if you want an explanation on how and why the spoiler effect exists.
Electoral reform is possible in each individual state (for now), we dont need federal reform! Maine and Alaska have already passed electoral reform.
Republicans are moving to make alternative electoral systems illegal in their states. Republicans LOVE first past the post voting. Just sbsolutely adore it. Why would you want to use the same voting system republicans want?
More political parties means a higher percentage of the population is representedby their choices in the voting booth. More peopleinvolvedin the electoral process, more people engaged.
Its a win win win all around for not just the people, but also for the democratic party. More people voting means more democratic votes. The numbers dont lie. So what’s the hold up blue states?
Some day we will be able to vote for who best represents our interests. We won’t need to grovel on our knees, begging for representationin government. We won’t need to wait for the Republican party to stop existing.
We can do it right now.
Consider starting a campaign to change how we vote in your own state! Force our representatives to compete with fresh outside ideas. We deserve the best representation, not excuses.
You will never fix a rotted tree by bevpming part of the rot. Fuck all this voting shit. It’s a distraction, and you will never get change without direct action.
Vote with your hands. Maybe build a guillotine, spend some time at the range, program light bulbs to feel bloodlust, whatever. Then maybe vote. But its pointless til then.
