• JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world
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    3 days ago

    So as usual, a few idiots ruining everything for the rest of us? Combined with knee jerk legislators, i mean.

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      3 days ago

      Well, the same can be said for cars, so let’s not go there.

      In countries where e-bikes are widely adopted like The Netherlands, e-bikes are responsible for a significant increase in cycling related injuries and fatalities.

      So legislation is definitely needed to protect e-cyclists, regular cyclists and pedestrians.

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        They’re just boomers who fall alone and get more severe injuries. The dutch can’t even put on a helmet, that’s how much they value their head.

        If cars have seatbelts, bikes have helmets. It’s not complex.

        No need to make bikes pay insurance and vehicle tax. Have identification plates to be easily subject to traffic fines… Oh wait…

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          So, that’s legislation then.

          And it’s not just the people falling off e-bikes but also regular cyclists pedestrians getting hit by e-bikes. Helmets won’t fix that.

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        Its mostly head injuries. These are between just a rider and the road, and the small number of fatalities were from geriatric riders that should have been in a wheel chair. The solution is to just wear a helmet… And since its not harming anyone aside from the rider themself, that should be a personal choice. No need to increase the barrier to entry with license, registration, and insurance. Its like people are just trying to find ways to make money off the increase in popularity of e bikes.

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          Its mostly head injuries.

          Not really:

          81,000 emergency visits, around 55,000 involved serious injuries, ranging from broken bones and concussions to skull fractures.

          14,400 cases of head or brain injuries

          fatalities were from geriatric riders that should have been in a wheel chair.

          Also a no, a minority was in their 70s or older.

          281 cyclist fatalities

          118 of those victims were in their seventies or older

          And if you need a wheelchair you can’t even physically get on an e-bike.

          The solution is to just wear a helmet.

          Only for some of the injuries. See above.

          its not harming anyone aside from the rider themself, that should be a personal choice.

          Most people will not wear a helmet if there is no legislation. We also take plenty of other measures to protect people, like seat belts in cars, banning smoking and drinking below a certain age. Also, society bears the cost. And it’s harming other people in the ER people whose diagnosis and treatment is being delayed because the ED and surgery are working a trauma case. And where do you find it’s only people vs the road? There are also plenty of young people and kids who buy illegal unregistered e-bikes with fat tires that look like a bike, but are more akin to an e-motor. Those often hit and cause serious damage to other cyclists and pedestrians.

          No need to increase the barrier to entry with license, registration, and insurance.

          Then how would you suggest filtering out the

          geriatric riders that should have been in a wheel chair.

          ?

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        Legislation doesn’t protect anyone at all. It’s just a feel good solution. You can look exactly at cars and see laws don’t protect anyone.

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          Sorry, but that is just absolute nonsense. Just look at the vehicle deaths per number of vehicles or miles driven. What else do you think this drastic reduction in deaths comes from?

          Car Crash Deaths and Rates - NSC

          Small hint: it’s not because car manufacturers love people so much.

          Seat belt laws alone have prevented hundreds of thousands of deaths.

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              Obviously there are many incremental safety features that all had an effect.

              But the point is, we wouldn’t have had the majority of them if it wasn’t for legislation.

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            You missed my point. You can still operate a car without putting a seatbelt on. You can even “trick” the sensor by putting the belt on first or a dummy latch. It doesn’t solve the person chosing to not wear one.

            Insurance doesn’t stop crime or deaths l. A license or plate is only good for identification, it wont protect the rider. Having “stiff OVI” laws wont stop a person from driving intoxicated.

            You can even look at OVI trends and see it’s been fairly consistant with only slightly declining trend. However drug based OVI started increasing slightly due to legilization.

            Your chart is misleading. It doesn’t take into consideration of early vehicles that didn’t have seatbelts at all or lack of safety devices (airbags, crumble zones, fibreglass bodies instead of steel). Manufacturers today are required to include all those safety devices for sale.

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              They could, but most people don’t. That’s why legislation works.

              There is also nothing misleading about the graph.

              Seatbelts = legislation.

              Airbags = legislation.

              Why do you think car manufacturers installed an unpopular piece of equipment at extra costs in the first place? Not from the goodness of their hearts.