My backlog is already bigger than I’ll ever get through. I’ll live without new stuff.
This is a literal fantasy that could only be believed by someone who hasn’t had dogshit internet access in far too long and doesn’t play games.
Bet. Pirates will find a way to get around whatever draconian anti-consumer shit they come up with.
fuck that noise, I’ll play ROMs of SNES for the rest of my life if it comes to it. idgaf. never giving in to cloud based bullshit ever
I got a PS5 a year ago after not having any console since the n64, and there is probably a lifetime of good games that I can pick up on deep sale without buying anything full price
I’m old and don’t play that often anymore
True, but don’t sleep on the Mega Drive / Genesis, or the Neo Geo too!
There are legitimately so many incredible titles in the 4th (16bit) console generation, that it could keep most people playing for a decade or more.
…and that’s BEFORE gaming exploded in popularity with the 5th & 6th console generations.
Hear hear. Fuck off take two.
Considering you probably could play rom hacks for these 3 games for the rest of your life - FF6, Zelda, and Mario
AAA cattle will be streaming their games in 3 years. FTFY
I had a GeForce Now Founder account but finally let it lapse as the price kept going up. I also bought into Google Stadia and it was great technology wise.
I don’t see cloud gaming as a bad thing as a backup, or when you’re on the road.
However, like everything these days, the fuckers will just keep jacking up the price to squeeze every penny out of the market. Or lock it down so you have to buy from their store.
This is the real problem. The technology is capable and we could have nice things but these assholes will just ruin it so fuck 'em.
Even if they’re not greedy, I don’t think the price that it would take to provide that service at cost is going to ever be a price people are willing to pay.
Probably true. Especially with the current hardware prices.
I don’t see cloud gaming as a bad thing as a backup
I agree, I’d like to have the OPTION to stream cloud games in addition to the OPTION of playing games digitally and the OPTION of owning games physically.
The keyword here being OPTION.
Very much this.
I remember being so excited for cloud gaming as a kid, before the term was coined or the concept was widely there - I just kept thinking to myself how cool it would be to be able to play any games I want on my less-than-capable PC. Couldn’t even imagine the tech actually arriving one day.
And by the time it did, I’ve become so disenchanted with technology that reaches mainstream, because you’re just so right: it becomes a very aggressive money-making machine that treats you without any respect and only wants more.
I would rather pay more for less thanks to the rampocalypse, play with stutters and terrible FPS on lowest settings, than let a Take-Two CEO and others have us rent games and computing power.
It’s only good for single player games, I tried multiplayer games on Stadia and it just didn’t work
If a game requires internet to play I don’t pay!
Are they implying that in 3 years they’ll have upgraded my internet AND put servers in every single city, not just capitals so stream this?
I’m not accepting 100ms of latency, ever.
This.
Intention be damned if they don’t provide the necessary infrastructure so people can access this at a minimum standard of quality.
I, unfortunately, live out in the boonies and streaming a game with this country bumpkin Internet is impossible.
@Crankenstein @ms_lane not even then, the game has to be locally installed, streaming from a companys server is not acceptable. The only acceptable way of streaming is when i install it on either a pc at home or have my “own” server or service like shadow where i install MY game and stream from there
I would never accept 100ms either, but what’s funny is that twitch/reaction games are more popular than they’ve ever been. Fighting games, FPSes, Soulslikes, precision platformers are all extremely intolerant to any kind of latency.
They are implying that in three years, if they have their way, you’ll have no choice. You’ll own nothing and you’ll be happy.
Can we please stop listening and quoting company CEOs. Haven’t we all learned how clueless they truly all are ?
Yea please. I keep saying it too. Wake up you fucking sheeple. Many folks who become CEOs are some of the worst of the worst cause that is the only way you get there. A CEO only says things that make them money.
Clueless or not, zelnick is in the position to attempt to make this happen. Sony seems to be on board with them, and I bet microsoft is salivating at the thought as well.
They can kiss my hairy ass, not on the left, not on the right, but right in the middle. I’ll play the 40 plus years of games I’ve already amassed over and over instead. Hell I’ll even make myself ai slop choose your own adventure books before I spend one cent on streaming only anything.
If he only offers streaming, he’ll just leave a gap for indies who actually deliver.
And Indies are going strong right now! I used to play big titles but not anymore.
By the way, take a look at the indie game The Precinct.
I’m long past gaming. I’m down to Solitaire and Mahjong, and occasionally watching a let’s play on YT…
If you read it, he says it’s a way to reach those who don’t have machines capable of running the games, therefore increasing the target audience size.
Aaaand downvotes from people who never read the article, we’ve reached peak reddit.
This is from an earnings call. He 1) says that increasing hardware prices are not a good thing and 2) thinks streaming is starting to be ready enough that people who can’t afford gaming PCs or consoles, can stream the games instead.
This came from a lengthy answer given in Take-Two’s quarterly earnings call this morning by Strauss Zelnick, in response to a question about the rising cost of hardware. He began his reply by saying that the rising price of hardware is “not a good thing” because it means fewer people will have machines on which to play games, but that it won’t slow Take-Two down as a business, “because we’re delivering experiences that people want.”
But Zelnick continued with a really interesting response about streaming. First, he pointed out that the world is increasingly moving to open systems, as demonstrated by the rise of PC gaming over the last 20 years. Then, he continued:
With the advent of streaming—which we really do believe is around the corner in terms of having something that’s low latency, and really works well for consumers—machines that weren’t game machines before will become game machines. So, without regard to what happens in the console business, which is of consequence to us, of course, we see the overall install base as a practical matter growing materially. And if you believe in streaming, to be clear, we really do, and I’m happy to put a timeline on it. I think we’ll be in commercial streaming mode in three years, and by commercial I mean low latency. That can 10x the effective the install base. That doesn’t mean we’re going to 10x our revenue, and we wouldn’t project that we would, because obviously your avid consumers already have access to video game machines. But I do think it creates great opportunity for titles that are broadly desirable even outside of core markets, and we do have titles like that, obviously.
This is VERY different from what the headline suggests, of course Kotaku editorialized the fuck out of it.
Oh good, his words gotten taken out of context
If people who lack a gaming machine have a big internet connection instead is rather questionable.
South East Asia is one area that comes to mind, they have pretty good internet
Plenty of people have laptops or old office desktops. Fiber is available pretty widely in much of the developed world and in a dense city 5G is likely to be better than copper. Availability of a decent connection is location dependent, ability to drop a grand on a console is dependent on your finances. Some people might live in a city but not have that much disposable income.
E.g in Romania, gigabit connection is 8 euros a month. Basically anyone can get it. But I don’t think bandwidth is anywhere near as important as latency. So the availability is even more location dependent
lmao, good fucking luck realizing this without massive expenditures in infrastructure. In the US, internet is basically shit everywhere i’ve ever lived, I’ve never been able to even stream from my own PC to my phone without the experience being excruciating and unplayable on anything that wasn’t turn based.
they don’t care… they want people to pay for shit service to then upgrade to the less shit service to have its terms change without your consent or prior knowledge to the more expensive service that requires some other shit or specific hardware… which will also be shit.
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Upgrade to less shit service? Wake me up in 2034 when that’s an option.
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You will own nothing and like it!
if that’s what they want. I’ll stop consuming quite easily.
Yeah. Take-Two CEO is a dumbass for the logistical reasons alone. Good-enough-to-stream-games internet is more rare than household VR headsets. There is not enough market to support this industry at the scale required to make it financially viable.
Not in America at least, which is a problem given that America is the single biggest market in the world.
That might no longer be the case after another two-and-a-half years of Trump.
That’s mainly because upload speed is capped much lower than download speed. That’s reversed if you’re streaming from a service though. Still a shit idea either way, hell the streaming services of several years went under in what a year or two.
No we fucking wont. But i might only play indie games by then
The tech bros like him, Bezos, Huang, and all those other tech fascists are working extra hard to make sure we don’t have the software or hardware to buy in order to play or do anything independently.
They’re not gonna make it! I think its just a matter of how much mess they make before they fail.
I have enough unplayed and uncompleted games in my Steam account to last until the end of the universe.
I won’t be streaming games in three years.
The trick is ensuring you have hardware that lasts
They’ll be force-feeding streaming soon enough. I’m fully convinced they’re gonna push streaming hard as soon as the AI bubble bursts, just so they can justify building all those data centers.
Microsoft can’t even justify an online subsciption service for $30/month. They already bacled down that price. And I don’t think we need to talk much about Stadia who tried the “pay $60 to stream a game” model.
No way in high hell this takes off. The economics aren’t there and the competition is too strong. Not to mention I don’t think the internet infrastructure is quite ready for that kind of mass streaming anyway.
Those AI datacenters are pretty much single use. If you want to use them for anything else, you need to strip out everything down to the concrete and power leads, and install a new set of equipment.
Tax write off.
Who is “they”? Major game publishers? How will they convince 80 different indie publishers to stop publishing locally run games?
Microsoft was already working on streaming the entire OS. They’ll find a way.
Okay? People have already been abandoning Windows on the gaming front. More hurdles and roadblocks will speed that up. How will they sell these products as useful?
And you still haven’t answered who “they” is. Now it’s Microsoft? Or Nvidia? Why wouldn’t AMD capitalize on the gap?
By all means, be a concerned consumer. But your concerns become incoherent and easy to dismiss when you don’t think critically about them and frame them in a direct way that exposes problems people will be impacted by.
You’re wearing Lemmy goggles, the “abandonment” is a drop in the bucket really.
And “they” is the tech industry as a whole.
as soon as the AI bubble bursts
We’ve been saying that for a long time now. Still going strong, even though I would personally love to see it burst and we can get back to normal.
The market can stay irrational, yadda yadda. Also, Nvidia and Microsoft know they’re the major pillars of the bubble (M$ being the single largest backer of OpenAI) ones that have the most to lose, so they have to keep the illusion going to keep their stocks from nosediving and, more importantly, to keep lawyers and prosecutors off their backs.
