ig, you could just buy used though or wait for their own device to be released via the upcoming OEM partnership. I wouldn’t be surprised if pixels are sold at a loss or break even point anyway, supplemented by surveillance capitalism and google play store revenue.
eos looks the most likely to me because of the partnership with murena; but i still hesitate because my sub-part experience using international brands within the united states and all of the lineage phones are either prohibitively ancient or international.
do you have any information on movement with any oems & graphene?
Don’t use eos if mobile security matters at all to you. It’s also not nearly as private as GrapheneOS and frequently phones home to Google.
my primary reasoning for an android alternative is to get out of google’s walled garden and security is 2nd.
the only aspect of mobile security that matters to me is that which protects me from national gov’ts & police and working as a software engineer & systems administrator for the last 20+ years has taught me that i’m hopelessly outclassed. so i chose to focus my efforts in the arenas where i can have any sort of impact and not financially supporting google is the only impact i can have. buying a pixel (either new or used) goes against this because i either give google the money for a new one or i help google with future sales by boosted pixel resale values with a used one.
i’ll be in line to buy a graphene device as soon as it’s available for something other than a pixel.
I assume you’re “voting with your wallet” which imo is not an effective or worthwhile endeavor. What manufacturer is so much better than Google that they’re actually worth going with over a Pixel with Graphene? The only one that I can think of is maybe Fairphone, but it only works in Europe and the extra cost would likely be better spent towards a donation to a project like GrapheneOS than a mediocre device that is neither private nor secure nor degoogled.
my primary reasoning for an android alternative is to get out of google’s walled garden
You don’t even need an alternative OS to get out of Google’s walled garden. You can and probably should start doing that before you move to an entirely new OS.
i’m quagmired in more ways than just the OS with things like: i need to figure out how to move paid subscriptions based on my gmail address to organizations/companies that refuse to let me change the email address on my account or that everyone that i’ve ever known for the last 20 years knows me by google voice phone number.
i appreciate your attempt to help, but i really meant the word quagmired.
porting the google number requires a phone plan w carrier; but i only use prepaid accounts between multiple carriers that change roughly every 6 to 12 months or so, depending on the price and whether or not they’ll support the unlock phones that i buy online. also: my current carrier will not accept a google voice number per their technical support people.
and those companies rely on some sort of multi factor authentication and my experiences with forwarding teaches me that the forwarding doesn’t always go through in a timely enough manner.
porting the google number requires a phone plan w carrier; but i only use prepaid accounts between multiple carriers that change roughly every 6 to 12 months or so, depending on the price and whether or not they’ll support the unlock phones that i buy online. also: my current carrier will not accept a google voice number per their technical support people.
Why not just switch to another VoIP provider like jmp.chat then?
and those companies rely on some sort of multi factor authentication and my experiences with forwarding teaches me that the forwarding doesn’t always go through in a timely enough manner.
ig, you could just buy used though or wait for their own device to be released via the upcoming OEM partnership. I wouldn’t be surprised if pixels are sold at a loss or break even point anyway, supplemented by surveillance capitalism and google play store revenue.
eos looks the most likely to me because of the partnership with murena; but i still hesitate because my sub-part experience using international brands within the united states and all of the lineage phones are either prohibitively ancient or international.
do you have any information on movement with any oems & graphene?
They’ve confirmed it’s happening but likely not until later this year or 2027
Don’t use eos if mobile security matters at all to you. It’s also not nearly as private as GrapheneOS and frequently phones home to Google.
my primary reasoning for an android alternative is to get out of google’s walled garden and security is 2nd.
the only aspect of mobile security that matters to me is that which protects me from national gov’ts & police and working as a software engineer & systems administrator for the last 20+ years has taught me that i’m hopelessly outclassed. so i chose to focus my efforts in the arenas where i can have any sort of impact and not financially supporting google is the only impact i can have. buying a pixel (either new or used) goes against this because i either give google the money for a new one or i help google with future sales by boosted pixel resale values with a used one.
i’ll be in line to buy a graphene device as soon as it’s available for something other than a pixel.
I assume you’re “voting with your wallet” which imo is not an effective or worthwhile endeavor. What manufacturer is so much better than Google that they’re actually worth going with over a Pixel with Graphene? The only one that I can think of is maybe Fairphone, but it only works in Europe and the extra cost would likely be better spent towards a donation to a project like GrapheneOS than a mediocre device that is neither private nor secure nor degoogled.
You don’t even need an alternative OS to get out of Google’s walled garden. You can and probably should start doing that before you move to an entirely new OS.
i’m quagmired in more ways than just the OS with things like: i need to figure out how to move paid subscriptions based on my gmail address to organizations/companies that refuse to let me change the email address on my account or that everyone that i’ve ever known for the last 20 years knows me by google voice phone number.
gmail allows you to forward all your emails to another inbox (https://support.google.com/mail/answer/10957?hl=en) and you can just port your number out of google voice (https://support.google.com/voice/answer/1065667?hl=en)
i appreciate your attempt to help, but i really meant the word quagmired.
porting the google number requires a phone plan w carrier; but i only use prepaid accounts between multiple carriers that change roughly every 6 to 12 months or so, depending on the price and whether or not they’ll support the unlock phones that i buy online. also: my current carrier will not accept a google voice number per their technical support people.
and those companies rely on some sort of multi factor authentication and my experiences with forwarding teaches me that the forwarding doesn’t always go through in a timely enough manner.
Why not just switch to another VoIP provider like jmp.chat then?
I guess. I’ve never had any issue personally