Is it classist to say “see a doctor” about a more general medical problem?
…because that’s the equivalent advice.
Yep. It is. It’s because one is making the assumption that other person is purposely not taking care of themselves when they simply can’t afford treatment. It’s not like a person can run into the woods and rub herbs on themselves for free to treat lupus.
no, because doctors are more widely available and the vast majority are covered by health plans. i want to see my pcp it’s $20 bucks. I want to go to urgent care, it’s $20. 88% of doctors accept health insurance.
therapists aren’t. most therapy is private. only 40% of therapists accept health insurance. 60% take private payments only. Therapy starts at 200/hr. if you can get an appointment.
That sounds like an American health system problem.
At some point, seeking help is the best advice that can be given. It can be for fixing a blocked drain or fixing your head. Cost can be a barrier, sure, but it doesn’t make it bad advice. Therapy can come in many shapes and sizes too, from volunteer support groups all the way through to private 1 to 1 sessions with hourly rates so high they make your nose bleed.
The key thing is to get help.
help isn’t available unless you’ve got fat wads of cash to spend.
a plumber to fix your drain is a one time cost of $200. therapy is $200-400 a week. most people I’ve known who did therapy spend several thousands on it. I did therapy for two months and it cost me $1500, and that was 8 years ago, it’s probably double that cost now. unless you have $2000-3000 in disposable income per month, you really can’t afford therapy.
Nah you’ve lost the plot.
Godspeed with the NHS 🫡
I’m my friend group, “You should go to therapy” translates to “Your problem is so much bigger and more complex than any of us can fully handle, so you should see a professional to help you work through it.”
Very much this.
I feel more like I’m a burden on my friend circle because of my mental issues. I’ve exhausted a lot of them and some people have left me over that. When that happens, you need to get some fucking serious therapy. It’s not an insult. It’s an encouragement. Your friends may love you, but it’s like if they’re given the option to wipe your ass or ditch you, they’re not wiping your ass all of the time.
Counterpoint: “get therapy” is often a shorthand stand-in for “Jesus fuck, do at least a little bit of work on making yourself slightly tolerable, please!” Which can be done through reading stuff online and actually thinking about it, watching videos on YouTube, etc. It doesn’t all actually require therapy, but a therapist is capable of pointing you in the right direction, and reassessing with progress, which makes it faster and easier.
There is definitely some stuff that requires outside help to really thrive with, or that’s much easier to work through with help, but most of the therapy I’ve ever had was shit I could have found online. It wasn’t even applied in a particularly unique way.
lol, on lemmy people tell you to get therapy or you must be mentally ill if you don’t agree with them politically.
apparently if i just went to therapy i’d become a marxist.
I won’t disagree that therapy and health in general is classist as a whole. However, it depends on how it was said I think.
If someone in a comments said go get therapy, eh. It’s comments.
If a family member, friend, or loved one recommends therapy that should be a warning light, that’s an acute thing happening. I would personally take that as “it is now worth the money to invest in yourself”. A followup of “why do you think so” is also appropriate.
Agreed
Only if you live in a nation that charges for therapy. Universal free healthcare is what modern nations have because we understand your health is not up to debate.
In how many countries is mental health treatment covered and on par with other healthcare treatments? Good psychiatrists are often in short supply in comparison to MD.
That’s genuinely a great question that will take me time to recompile.
Good psychiatrists are often in short supply in comparison to MD.
That’s a supply×demand question, because IIRC 1 good psychologist should only have their dunbar number of patients. So for a country of 342,034,432 people, the state needs to invest in 2,280,230+≈ PhD.s at a rate that competes with child births, sick days (pandemics), emergencies, etc… When a state forgets to invest on it’s own health, you get the pandemic you’re experiencing.
Pretty much. Therapy is difficult to get and expensive. It’s historically been the privilege of the upper classes and it is very difficult to get for non-wealthy people.
And people who have regular access to it use it as a class signifier to feel superior to people who don’t. Also often to the point where they demand everyone be in therapy, regardless of whether it’s needed or not. Which is again, a further signifies wealth and status. Like demanding other people have expensive hobbies or they are subhuman scum. Which is something I notice a lot among the ‘travel’ crowd.
I think therapy should be treated like physical therapy. as it, prescribed when needed.
The funny thing is when I meet/date working class people, they don’t think therapy is something everyone should have, but they acknowledge that mentally ill and distraught people should have access to it. But when I meet/date a upper class professional people, they think you are mentally ill by default if you aren’t actively in therapy forever. They also think anyone who doesn’t wear designer clothing is mentally ill as well.
You’ve explained it more eloquently than I could have
DENNIS: “You’re fooling yourself. We’re living in a dictatorship. A self-perpetuating autocracy in which the working classes–”
WOMAN: “Oh there you go, bringing class into it again.”
Where’s this from?
