• Whopraysforthedevil@midwest.social
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    Of course he is. Take some of your most popular, and arguably most effective, policies and just stop doing them.

    Oh wait, those help normal Americans. That’s right, we don’t do that here.

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      The withdrawal notices were for two of the department’s unfinished debt-relief rules. The first rule was Biden’s Plan B for broader debt relief after the Supreme Court struck his first plan down in summer 2023. The second rule was a proposal to provide relief to borrowers facing financial hardship.

      Unfinished and a proposal. This is basically just acknowledging it won’t be finished in time.

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        Don’t dampen people’s ability to grouse here. It’s all they have left.

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      The rules were unfinished. He had tried to do earlier wide scale debt relief that was struck down by the courts. This was another attempt at it and trying to write around their BS rulings. Republicans were already threatening that second version

      He’s been focusing on more narrow areas to provide relief because those have been harder to sue about

      Biden is still pursuing other avenues for debt relief before his term is up. On Friday, his administration announced an additional $4.28 billion in debt relief for 54,900 borrowers in Public Service Loan Forgiveness — a result of ongoing improvements to the program. Despite not being able to pass broad relief, Biden, over the course of his term, has provided relief to nearly 5 million borrowers through changes to various programs.

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    The withdrawal notices were for two of the department’s unfinished debt-relief rules. The first rule was Biden’s Plan B for broader debt relief after the Supreme Court struck his first plan down in summer 2023. The second rule was a proposal to provide relief to borrowers facing financial hardship.

    Unfinished and proposal.

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      Yeah, Biden’s team never wanted to do any of this and never put any real effort into making it happen so now we’re hear. In any sane world this implosion (along with the FAFSA disaster and a million other things) would be the end of the conversation about why younger voters haven’t been supporting Dems at the rate we need, but I’m sure some jackass on MSNBC will say something fucking idiotic and insulting about misinformation on tiktok or something anyway.

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        Passed student debt relief. You: “He didn’t want to do it!!!”

        Blocked by court. You: “see he didn’t want to do it!!!”

        Passes new bill. Continues to work on other ways to do it too. You: “see he never wanted to do it!! No real effort!!”

        Unbelievable.

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          Biden does weakest method to do debt relief, then ignores it once courts block it

          see he wanted to! - - dems not understanding why people don’t want more right wing dems in the party

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          Biden drug his feet as long as possible on doing anything then only made on single token the gesture because he knew the court would instantly undo it and then he could pretend he tried (a court he never supported reforming in any meaningful way, not coincidentally).

          If he actually gave a shit he could have ordered the debt discharged before courts had any opportunity to involve themselves, or could have at least tried multiple different orders (like how Trump was willing to do with his travel bans), but the fact is Biden never actually wanted to deal with student debt because he worked most of his career to build this system and thinks it’s a good way to keep young people from getting too uppity.

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            ordered the debt discharged before courts had any opportunity to involve themselves

            That you think that’s how it works really shows me who I’m talking with. You have no idea how it works.

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    Did everyone forget that Biden was one of the chief engineers of making it so that student loans cannot be discharged in bankruptcy?

    He never gave a flying fuck and that’s why his solutions were all shitty bandaids instead of addressing the real issues.

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      He did try to do wide scale student loan reliefs but the supreme court kept blocking his attempts. The rules they are talking about were his second attempt at writing around the court rulings for broader relief. He kept at it with different approaches to work around that ended up smaller and more narrow because of stupid court rulings. His plans blocked by courts would also would have done stuff like capping interest payments for future loans and so much more.

      Republicans kept challenging his rules at every step because they thought that people would blame him for their lawsuits. Sadly it seemed to have worked and created perceptions exactly like the comment I’m responding to

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        Hey dude, doing a one-time forgiveness of loans without figuring out why tuition costs are exploding beyond what is sustainable and leaving student loans as non-dischargeable in bankruptcy isn’t a fucking solution.

        Making student loans dischargeable via bankruptcy is.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bankruptcy_Abuse_Prevention_and_Consumer_Protection_Act#Legislative_history

        https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_votes/vote1091/vote_109_1_00044.htm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00044#position

        The increase in Republican majorities in the Senate and House after the 2004 elections breathed new life into the bill, which was introduced in its current form by the chairman of the Senate Finance Committee, Republican Senator Chuck Grassley of Iowa. According to George Packer in his book The Unwinding, Joe Biden, Chris Dodd, and Hillary Clinton helped pass this bill. (Of the three, however, only Biden voted for the final bill. Dodd voted against, and Clinton did not vote.) The bill was supported by President George W. Bush. Tom DeLay also championed the legislation. The bill passed by large margins, 302–126 in the House and 74–25 in the Senate, and was signed into law by President Bush.

        Biden was one of 18 Democrats who broke with party to pass this bill in 2005 that made it so you can’t discharge your student loans in bankruptcy. Biden in particular, was pretty loud about supporting the creditors on this bill. I remember because I had just left college and had loans at this point in my life, and I was pretty frustrated by it, and Biden in particular.

        The fact that he doesn’t want to undo the biggest issue with student loans as they stand, considering it’s a bill he voted for himself, speaks loudly to how he wasn’t actually interested in solving the problem. Think about how much of a non-issue this would be if you could just file bankruptcy and make these loans go away.

        But sure, it’s scary Republicans blocking his worthless fucking joke of a plan, not that his plan was a joke and his work in the senate is literally the reasons that students can’t just… file for bankruptcy to get out from under their student loans.

        But fuck me for actually knowing the history of this issue, right??

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          That and all the government cuts to public universities funding.

          Tuition is never going to stop rising while we kept cutting how much money they get from the state vs need to get from students

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          I don’t disagree that Biden certain was problematic when in congress on student loans, but it’s worth noting that the action he had planned to do was well beyond just one-time student loan forgiveness

          He’s lowered the bar for discharging student loans via bankruptcy via executive action. It shouldn’t have been nearly impossible before, but it’s now moved into the realm of at least sometimes possible now

          In the fall of 2022, the U.S. Department of Education and the U.S. Department of Justice jointly released updated bankruptcy guidelines aimed at making the process for student loan borrowers less arduous

          Previously, it was difficult, if not impossible, for most people to part with their education debt in a normal bankruptcy proceeding.

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          While the government used to fight discharge aggressively in almost every case, there is now a policy to agree when the borrower can show financial need and a history of good faith efforts to pay the loans said Latife Neu, a bankruptcy lawyer in Seattle.

          “I’ve helped several people take advantage of the expanded ability to discharge their student loans in bankruptcy,” Neu added.

          https://www.cnbc.com/2024/03/12/biden-makes-it-easier-to-forgive-student-debt-in-bankruptcy.html

          He also tried to cap interest rates, and reduce the monthly payment requirements, increase federal student aid, etc.

          Cutting monthly payments in half for undergraduate loans. The Department of Education is proposing a new income-driven repayment plan that protects more low-income borrowers from making any payments and caps monthly payments for undergraduate loans at 5% of a borrower’s discretionary income—half of the rate that borrowers must pay now under most existing plans. This means that the average annual student loan payment will be lowered by more than $1,000 for both current and future borrowers.

          https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2022/08/24/fact-sheet-president-biden-announces-student-loan-relief-for-borrowers-who-need-it-most/