I am also not a supporter of Putin’s war of aggression, although I do understand why he thought the war was necessary, and agree that those reasons are real (not saying that the war was necessary, just saying that Putin is not a lunatic).
Since you understand the Russian POV that big countries have spheres of influence that they control and little countries do not have agency, then you obviously also agree that the Americas are within the US sphere of influence and understand why they did all the coups that they did (not saying they were necessary, just saying that the US is not any more imperialist than Russia)?
That’s a nice straw man, but not at all representative of the Russian POV. In their minds, they are America during the Cuban missile crisis. NATO, an organization that has positioned itself expressly as enemies of Russia, has been building up military presence on Russia’s doorstep. Simultaneously, following the Maidan coup, Russian nationals were targeted for oppression by far-right Ukrainian state elements as well as Nazi paramilitaries. Those are Russia’s stated reasons for the war, and they are based on facts.
Now, I don’t think those reasons justify a war of aggression, and Ukraine’s Nazi problem largely seems to be resolved, especially since Zelenskyy took power, but those are the real reasons the war started.
Pretty incomparable to the USA’s interventions, whose targets never posed a threat to American lives or national security.
I can see why people say you’re a tanking considering how you’re literally parroting Russian talking points and having a suspiciously large amount of understanding for the excuses of Russian imperialism while not sharing the understanding with other imperialist nations.
At least we both agree that the correct solution to the Cuban missile crisis was the invasion and genocide of Cuba, or something.
You are literally proving my point. You refuse to engage with any facts that go against the narrative of “Russia bad” while using a slur in an attempt to discredit me.
Also, it’s ridiculous to imply that just because I understand something, that means I support it. As usual, the anti-communist resorts to lies and slander.
I’m refusing to engage with “facts” that are false. Russia is currently engaging in a genocidal war of aggression. They are bad.
Also, it’s ridiculous to imply that just because I understand something, that means I support it.
That’s what I’m saying. I’m not saying you’re a tankie because you’re parroting false Russian propaganda talking points, I’m just saying I understand why people are saying that you are one. You know, the exact same thing that you’re doing where you’re trying to mask your support of Russia by saying you don’t support it, but you do understand it.
Also, it’s ridiculous to imply that just because I understand something, that means I support it.
I don’t disagree with this. I disagree with your assertion that you understand the reasons for the war.
You should do more investigation, because your understanding of the facts does not align with reality. I recommend starting with Michael Parenti’s “Manufacturing Consent” to understand how western media has shaped your worldview and understanding of history.
Two things can be true. Russia could have had legitimate concerns about escalators actions by NATO, and simultaneously their decision to wage war over those reasons could be wrong and illegal. Also, Russia has certainly committed war crimes and crimes against humanity.
However, I’m done talking with you. This entire conversation you have used straw men, lied, cherry-picked points, and moved goalposts. You don’t argue in good faith, you’re just trying to win.
Since you understand the Russian POV that big countries have spheres of influence that they control and little countries do not have agency, then you obviously also agree that the Americas are within the US sphere of influence and understand why they did all the coups that they did (not saying they were necessary, just saying that the US is not any more imperialist than Russia)?
That’s a nice straw man, but not at all representative of the Russian POV. In their minds, they are America during the Cuban missile crisis. NATO, an organization that has positioned itself expressly as enemies of Russia, has been building up military presence on Russia’s doorstep. Simultaneously, following the Maidan coup, Russian nationals were targeted for oppression by far-right Ukrainian state elements as well as Nazi paramilitaries. Those are Russia’s stated reasons for the war, and they are based on facts.
Now, I don’t think those reasons justify a war of aggression, and Ukraine’s Nazi problem largely seems to be resolved, especially since Zelenskyy took power, but those are the real reasons the war started.
Pretty incomparable to the USA’s interventions, whose targets never posed a threat to American lives or national security.
I can see why people say you’re a tanking considering how you’re literally parroting Russian talking points and having a suspiciously large amount of understanding for the excuses of Russian imperialism while not sharing the understanding with other imperialist nations.
At least we both agree that the correct solution to the Cuban missile crisis was the invasion and genocide of Cuba, or something.
You are literally proving my point. You refuse to engage with any facts that go against the narrative of “Russia bad” while using a slur in an attempt to discredit me.
Also, it’s ridiculous to imply that just because I understand something, that means I support it. As usual, the anti-communist resorts to lies and slander.
I’m refusing to engage with “facts” that are false. Russia is currently engaging in a genocidal war of aggression. They are bad.
That’s what I’m saying. I’m not saying you’re a tankie because you’re parroting false Russian propaganda talking points, I’m just saying I understand why people are saying that you are one. You know, the exact same thing that you’re doing where you’re trying to mask your support of Russia by saying you don’t support it, but you do understand it.
I don’t disagree with this. I disagree with your assertion that you understand the reasons for the war.
You should do more investigation, because your understanding of the facts does not align with reality. I recommend starting with Michael Parenti’s “Manufacturing Consent” to understand how western media has shaped your worldview and understanding of history.
You don’t agree that Russia is waging a genocidal war of aggression right now? Because even according to their own media they are.
Two things can be true. Russia could have had legitimate concerns about escalators actions by NATO, and simultaneously their decision to wage war over those reasons could be wrong and illegal. Also, Russia has certainly committed war crimes and crimes against humanity.
However, I’m done talking with you. This entire conversation you have used straw men, lied, cherry-picked points, and moved goalposts. You don’t argue in good faith, you’re just trying to win.