Labour leader also says he cannot foresee circumstances where UK would re-enter single market or customs union
    • The Snark Urge@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      3 months ago

      Utterly insane take from him. Based on the strength of a single referendum that was likely influenced by a foreign power and carried out by some of the most determinedly incompetent leaders we’ve seen in a generation, we are to lose free trade, influence abroad, freedom to roam, consumer protections, and countless other benefits, to continue for the lifetime of an as yet unelected PM who has purged his party of anyone to the left of Barack Obama.

      • fartsparkles@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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        3 months ago

        Eh, why feed Reform or Conservatives any on-the-edge voters at this late an hour by making them fear a vote for Labour is a vote for more Brexit madness.

        His statements are full of weasel words too, as have other party member’s statements. It’s not an insane take, just a “I don’t think we will” to avoid arming opponents with something to fearmonger with.

        They need a term, and if they can change the perspective on EU membership and see polling supports rejoining (and they’ve the funds to pump into the obscene political advertising it’ll require to not get drowned out by Conservatives like before the referendum), they just might go for it in a second term.

        • Eril@feddit.orgEnglish
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          3 months ago

          I’m fine with it in general. BUT under some conditions:

          • No cherry-picking. Full rules apply or bust
          • EU reform before adding any country. It’s already horribly inefficient to have 27 countries having to agree on everything
  • HelloThere@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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    3 months ago

    People who cannot see the clear and obvious reason why he’s said this, the day before an election, are being willing blind and/or obtuse.

    “Circumstances have changed” would be what a Starmer talking doll would say if you pulled its string.

    • Wimopy@feddit.ukEnglish
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      3 months ago

      I think the main issue I have, and likely many others too, is how strongly it is phrased. If he thinks he’ll die in the next 5 or 10 years… fine, I guess? But that’s unlikely, and with how things have shifted just in the past 25 years, making a statement like this seems arrogant.

      Is that overanalysing a one line answer to a question? Probably, but that’s what a politician gets and the effect of modern media.

      Not to mention how the population and especially Labour supporters have turned pro-EU so he’ll likely alienate that part of his base. Strong stances are seen as better, but I really feel sometimes he should take a softer approach.

  • Muscle_Meteor@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
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    3 months ago

    Its not up to the UK. Its unlikely the EU would let them back in so soon, and if they did the UK would be in a weak bargaining position so they wouldnt get all the opt outs and exemptions they had before. Also EU progressives seek greater integration and the UK was the loudest voice against it. Its a lose lose.

    As its been 8 years from the vote and the paperwork still hasnt been figure out, its probably going to be another 20-30 years until things have simmered down enough that people can objectively look back and say it was the worst decision in modern history without people getting all pissy and defensive (most of them will have died of old age). Then they can apply to join again.