Yeah yeah, I am all too familiar with that game of “Oh sure, I said X in so many words, but I didnt say X specifically, there for you are wrong and I am the poor victim”. My bitch grandmother pulls the same shit.
Except… I really didn’t say that “both sides are the same”. This claim - in the context of politics, at least - usually mean one of two (quite similar) propositions:
Party A, which is now in power, enacted a questionable policy - but if Party B was in power instead in a similar situation it’d do a similar thing.
Variation - this can also be claimed about something the party not in power does as an opposition.
Party A used some questionable methods to increase its power - but Party B is also using some similarly questionable methods to gain power.
Since the topic here is shifts in the political views of various demographics - the second proposition is the more relevant one.
Both sides are very much not the same here. One side is pushing while the other is pulling. Pushing and pulling is not the same thing - they are opposite things. I hope you understand that, and that you are not struggling with operating doors. I did not say that both conservatives and progressives are using similar methods to gain influence here, because that’s not true. It’s not true even if you remove the word “similar” because progressives are not using methods to gain influence - they are using methods to lose influence.
Also, when I said that the Left - and not just the Right - is also contributing to this trend, I was not doing it to imply that both sides share the blame for this trend. I reject that proposition. The blame here goes 100% to the Left[1]! The winning side does not need to reflect on why it is winning[2] - and when the losing side reflects on why it is losing, making its conclusion about the wining side’s tactics is not very helpful unless its for coming up with ways to counter these methods - which I’m not seeing done here.
These men feel rejected by the Left, and the Right is taking advantage of these feelings. Both sides are not the same here - only one side is competent.
Technically these are two different “pools” of blame - each side has responsibility toward itself to gain power, and gains blame if it loses influence. But since the Right is not losing influence here, there is zero blame in its “pool” - and whatever percentage of the blame the left takes from its own “pool” is 100% percent of the total blame taken from both “pools” (whether or not they can be added together is not important, since one of them is zero) ↩︎
I mean, it can, if it wants to figure out what it did right so it can keep doing it. And despite winning - the winning side may have also done some mistakes and can benefit from reflecting on them. But this reflection does not carry the same meaning as the losing side reflecting on its loss. ↩︎
Yes, both sides are the same.
Ones creating concentration camps and disappearing people… and the other wants you to have healthcare.
I see literally no difference in these sides.
Kindly screenshot my comment[1] and underline the part where I said “the same”.
The previous comment. Not this one. ↩︎
Yeah yeah, I am all too familiar with that game of “Oh sure, I said X in so many words, but I didnt say X specifically, there for you are wrong and I am the poor victim”. My bitch grandmother pulls the same shit.
You should get new material.
Except… I really didn’t say that “both sides are the same”. This claim - in the context of politics, at least - usually mean one of two (quite similar) propositions:
Since the topic here is shifts in the political views of various demographics - the second proposition is the more relevant one.
Both sides are very much not the same here. One side is pushing while the other is pulling. Pushing and pulling is not the same thing - they are opposite things. I hope you understand that, and that you are not struggling with operating doors. I did not say that both conservatives and progressives are using similar methods to gain influence here, because that’s not true. It’s not true even if you remove the word “similar” because progressives are not using methods to gain influence - they are using methods to lose influence.
Also, when I said that the Left - and not just the Right - is also contributing to this trend, I was not doing it to imply that both sides share the blame for this trend. I reject that proposition. The blame here goes 100% to the Left[1]! The winning side does not need to reflect on why it is winning[2] - and when the losing side reflects on why it is losing, making its conclusion about the wining side’s tactics is not very helpful unless its for coming up with ways to counter these methods - which I’m not seeing done here.
These men feel rejected by the Left, and the Right is taking advantage of these feelings. Both sides are not the same here - only one side is competent.
Technically these are two different “pools” of blame - each side has responsibility toward itself to gain power, and gains blame if it loses influence. But since the Right is not losing influence here, there is zero blame in its “pool” - and whatever percentage of the blame the left takes from its own “pool” is 100% percent of the total blame taken from both “pools” (whether or not they can be added together is not important, since one of them is zero) ↩︎
I mean, it can, if it wants to figure out what it did right so it can keep doing it. And despite winning - the winning side may have also done some mistakes and can benefit from reflecting on them. But this reflection does not carry the same meaning as the losing side reflecting on its loss. ↩︎